If this is supposed to help log all the anime you have or seen, why is TV not included in this?
I know things like cartoon network's 'adult swim' haven't been around for decades, but they have been around long enough. I for one got turned on to anime through Cowboy Bebop, and have every episode on tape, seen each at the very least 5 times, if not 20 for some of them (I just love pierrot le fou). I've also watched all of outlaw star, witch hunter robin, etc.
But I can't note it because I have no file? What is the deal with that? I should be able to note what episodes of something I've seen w/o having it on my computer! As far as I know there is no ed2k link for my VHS tape of bebop.
What you currently have is a bunch of files to choose from. I'm sure that just like me, many of your hits on the files on TV are COMPLETE LIES as we need to pick something to click to say 'I've seen this.' I know Bebop, at least for me, I just picked the file with the most hits per episode and said that I've seen that file.
....But forget bebop. I CAN'T NOTE A SINGLE EPISODE OF DRAGONBALL Z THAT I HAVE SEEN!!!!! You of course have no files for this, as it's been copywrited, and is thus hard to find files for. I can't even say I've seen the file, because there is none! And I've seen all of them.
I mean, of course I've seen all of them. It's freakin DRAGONBALL Z! Everyone who's anyone that has anything to do with anime has to at least seen a few of them! I'd like to be able to just check off those to say, "yeah, I've seen that." It's almost embarrasing that I can't say I HAVE seen DBZ! Oh, yeah, it's huge, really popular, well known...oh, but I haven't seen it. I don't care about anime. I'm a NooB.
I mean, it's insulting!
Alright, anyway, enough rant. Could you just make it so when you add a file, one of the options is 'On TV', note what langwage, and not require a dang file size, ed2k link or whatever?
Watched on TV [OLD-WAS-ONTODO]
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The DB is not about the Anime you have seen, it is about the fansubs that you have seen and rate it.
Neither a DVD nor TV nor Cinema are fansubs.
You can still vote for Anime that is in AniDB of which you don't have any files - so you could vote vor DBZ, but not add any files, since there are none.
Adding the option to add episodes to your list without files for those episodes is contradicting the basic structure of AniDB. Implementing something like this would add a feature but at the same time degrade the value of all the other features overall, since all the statistics would get flawed on a large scale basis. While it is debatable whether the current statistics are accurate, I bet that most of the people using AniDB are people who have fansubs and need a way to catalogue them, not mainly DVD buyers or a television audience.
You have to think of AniDB as a sub-part of the whole "Anime watching" group, and for that part of the whole it does it's job pretty good.
You should not demand someone who runs a car database to add tractors because they also have four weels. It simply is not the same
For the time beeing, you'd have to rely on your memory, maybe a database utilitiy for your DVD collection and maybe you should collect the cinema tickets to remember which movies you saw.
All in all, something like a Anime IMDB with the features of AniDB would be perfect for you, but that is, like I said before, not the purpose of AniDB, despite what the name might indicate.
Maybe that will change in the future, at the moment I think the general opinion is that as long as AniDB is not perfect, the focus should lie on perfection it. Additional features can be added later once nothing needs to be done anymore.
I'd suggest you come back once shadow files are added ^_^
Neither a DVD nor TV nor Cinema are fansubs.
You can still vote for Anime that is in AniDB of which you don't have any files - so you could vote vor DBZ, but not add any files, since there are none.
Adding the option to add episodes to your list without files for those episodes is contradicting the basic structure of AniDB. Implementing something like this would add a feature but at the same time degrade the value of all the other features overall, since all the statistics would get flawed on a large scale basis. While it is debatable whether the current statistics are accurate, I bet that most of the people using AniDB are people who have fansubs and need a way to catalogue them, not mainly DVD buyers or a television audience.
You have to think of AniDB as a sub-part of the whole "Anime watching" group, and for that part of the whole it does it's job pretty good.
You should not demand someone who runs a car database to add tractors because they also have four weels. It simply is not the same
For the time beeing, you'd have to rely on your memory, maybe a database utilitiy for your DVD collection and maybe you should collect the cinema tickets to remember which movies you saw.
All in all, something like a Anime IMDB with the features of AniDB would be perfect for you, but that is, like I said before, not the purpose of AniDB, despite what the name might indicate.
Maybe that will change in the future, at the moment I think the general opinion is that as long as AniDB is not perfect, the focus should lie on perfection it. Additional features can be added later once nothing needs to be done anymore.
I'd suggest you come back once shadow files are added ^_^
And I quote, directly from the "what is AniDB?" on the main page:Skywalka wrote:The DB is not about the Anime you have seen, it is about the fansubs that you have seen and rate it.
What is AniDB?:
AniDB stands for 'Anime DataBase' and there are two different ways to use it:
In AniDB`s 'MyList' you can specify which files you have (seen) and this way you can keep your own personal 'Anime DataBase' online. Never again you will have problems with notepad, Excel, Access and whatever programs you previously used in order to have a list of what anime you have - or have seen. You can just add the files from the database to your list and then you`ll have your own created anime database.
Now, it's my understanding that anime is not just about those special vids that you got from japan, only select people that love anime already can see, or that they need to speak only japanese in the actual video. An anime on TV is just as valid. And, by there own words, this is exactly what you said it is not supposed to be.
Yes, you can also rate subs you've seen. And it is definately a benefit to be able to preview such before downloading it.
And yes, you can also conveniently link to ed2k downloads. This is my main forum for that as well.
But it's main purpose is a database of what you have or have seen. NOT just keep track of fansubs.
And, just to prove it, if there are no files for DBZ, as you admit, then why is it even on this site?
The Ratt has spoken.
Actually if you look at the index, you will find Mark files/eps not in mylist watched/unwatched [postponed] which exp said (in 12/02) not to expect soon, he did not reject the idea. Also add file to my list without knowing the exact release. which is also on the todo list would allow the user to accomplish the same thing.Skywalka wrote:The DB is not about the Anime you have seen, it is about the fansubs that you have seen and rate it.
Now this is not the way the system is currently structured, but the intent is there that this would be done someday.
Pak Ratt, don't worry about Skywalka, he just likes to rant now and then...
Pfft I just rewrote what I was told when _I_ asked about how in the world I could mark the Anime I have on DVD watched an all and to be honest that time on IRC some certain guy with a 0 in his nickname chose to rant a bit too 
Besides, since shadow files will most likely be implemented first, you can expeted the aformentioned features maybe in 2005 since shadow files will need a lot of time to implement and afterwards a lot of time to correct the database entries.
Anyway, you get to know the feeling when you encountered the huge 100t hammer of doom yourself Ask PetriW about denied creqs
Most of the time around here it's not so much shades of grey, it's really black and white. Either you get some clear [DENIED]s from EXP or he simply grabs his tools and the stuff you just asked for is already implemented and working ^_^
Oh and I was pretty tired when I wrote that and am currently at work and I tend to be a bit more friendly while around other people ^_^
Besides, since shadow files will most likely be implemented first, you can expeted the aformentioned features maybe in 2005 since shadow files will need a lot of time to implement and afterwards a lot of time to correct the database entries.
Anyway, you get to know the feeling when you encountered the huge 100t hammer of doom yourself
Ask PetriW about denied creqs Most of the time around here it's not so much shades of grey, it's really black and white. Either you get some clear [DENIED]s from EXP or he simply grabs his tools and the stuff you just asked for is already implemented and working ^_^
Oh and I was pretty tired when I wrote that and am currently at work and I tend to be a bit more friendly while around other people ^_^
This part about the have (seen) is taking into account that you don't actually have to HAVE the files you add to your list (anymore) - that is what the "deleted" state of files is for. I strongly doubt the FAQ is about Anime on TV and believe the author of the FAQ strictly wrote about fansubs which are video files for your computer.Pak Ratt wrote:And I quote, directly from the "what is AniDB?" on the main page:Skywalka wrote:The DB is not about the Anime you have seen, it is about the fansubs that you have seen and rate it.
What is AniDB?:
AniDB stands for 'Anime DataBase' and there are two different ways to use it:
In AniDB`s 'MyList' you can specify which files you have (seen) and this way you can keep your own personal 'Anime DataBase' online. Never again you will have problems with notepad, Excel, Access and whatever programs you previously used in order to have a list of what anime you have - or have seen. You can just add the files from the database to your list and then you`ll have your own created anime database.
Maybe I am wrong, you should ask the author.
You can also take a look here
http://anidb.ath.cx/perl-bin/animedb.pl ... in&sub=why
The author talks about files. AniDB is about files, that's why ed2k links are given. I stand by my point, "watched" status for stuff actually only seen on TV (DVD) or in cinema are an addition that most likely everyone out there will welcome, but it is not the purpose of AniDB. That was my whole point. I did not say anything about whether your idea is worth considering (and as it seems it already has been considered and put on the "nice feature that could be added once everything else is done" list) or what I think about it. I just wanted to point out what AniDB is and what it is not.
And to re-state it: it is about fansubs, and with that of course whether you have seen them or not, not Anime in general.
Maybe it makes it easier for you if I explain the term "fansub" to you.
Fansubs in the context of this posting are video files for your computer that contain anything Anime, be it VHS- Laserdisc- DVD- TV-RIPs or Cinema-Screeners or even Videos on Websites captured and put into a file. Anything that is available as a file on the net and that most likely can be hashed and therefor get it's ed2k link generated.
(Usually you would say fansubs are raw Anime that are subtitled by subbing groups. DVD-Ripping groups are something totally different since there the subtitles are done by the company who release the file - I had a discussion about how AniDB and it's intermingling of Fansub groups and DVD-Ripping groups devalues the work the fansub groups have translating the original text without any scripts but that is another cup of tea and I don't want to confuse you more than necessary)
If people chose to add files to their mylist randomly nobody can stop them from doing so. I honestly get a little bit of an impression that you are simply pissed because you weren't able to do the same with DBZ because there simply are no files available for that Anime.
You can't force people to use the stuff you give them for the intended purpose, you can just tell them what it is made for. Nobody prevents you from picking your nose with a knife. So don't get angry at me for telling you the "intended use" of AniDB when I see you trying to push it up your nose
Pak Ratt wrote:
Now, it's my understanding that anime is not just about those special vids that you got from japan, only select people that love anime already can see, or that they need to speak only japanese in the actual video. An anime on TV is just as valid.
Actually it isn't and if you would try to understand my point then you would get what I mean. AniDB is about fansubs, everything that is available as a file.
And honestly, did you even read what I wrote? You must have been in another room or something since I did not say anything about what is Anime and what is not nor did I limit Anime in any way to something I think it is or is not. I simply stated what the purpose of AniDB is. Since I now mentioned that purpose for the fith or so time I hope you now get what I mean.
Pak Ratt wrote:And, by there own words, this is exactly what you said it is not supposed to be.
No I didn't.
Pak Ratt wrote: Yes, you can also rate subs you've seen. And it is definately a benefit to be able to preview such before downloading it.
Where did I say anything about subs our dubs or anything the like? Did I miss a third person in this discussion who told you all this because it definately wasn't me who said anything the like.
Pak Ratt wrote: And yes, you can also conveniently link to ed2k downloads. This is my main forum for that as well.
No, not "also". You can add a total of 20 files to AniDB without ed2k link, no more. After that, you will be forced to add ed2k links to your files. That might be why nobody added dummy files to the DB for DBZ just for people to be able to add all their DBZ episodes to their mylist so they could mark them "watched".
Pak Ratt wrote: But it's main purpose is a database of what you have or have seen. NOT just keep track of fansubs.
Wrong. Just because you can interpreted that (seen) the way you did now does not proove that the author of that text actually meant what you think he did. I have been around on IRC and this forum for about 7 months and have been told more than once what goes and what not and what I state here is not what I from the beginning thought about the purpose of AniDB, it is what I was told is the purpose of AniDB in several discussions.
That purpose might change over time, and maybe right now things have already changed a bit towards the idea you have compared to last year and I honestly won't have anything against that change.
But, you know, you made it sound like AniDB lacks features that should be already implemented considering the information given in the FAQ and I simply tried to point out that you got it wrong and that this is not the case. I got it wrong first too back in september of last year. I too wanted these features but at the moment I would love for other stuff to be implemented first (like shadow files).
Pak Ratt wrote: And, just to prove it, if there are no files for DBZ, as you admit, then why is it even on this site?
Somebody chose to add this Anime to the DB.
There are DBZ files available on the net. Just search for it in eMule or KaZaa. Anime entries are there for people to be able to add files easily and not think that an Anime is prohibited from beeing entered to the DB. It is much easier to simply add an episode and a file than gather all the information about an Anime and then add that as a new Anime entry, and still you can trust me that not every Anime that is added to the DB has files in it yet - for instance Ghost in the Shell: Innocence or Appleseed the Movie which are announced but have not yet hit the box office. There most likely will be files for these two movies.
I understand how you came to your opinion, and that you think the "evidence" sustains it, but you just can't be angry if somebody who has been around a little bit longer explains it to you.
I actually think that is not "ranting". Ranting would be if I'd consider your opinion moronic or something, which I don't. I simply tried to point out what is and what is not.
k, thx.
Bye
http://anidb.ath.cx/perl-bin/animedb.pl ... me&aid=232I mean, of course I've seen all of them. It's freakin DRAGONBALL Z! Everyone who's anyone that has anything to do with anime has to at least seen a few of them! I'd like to be able to just check off those to say, "yeah, I've seen that." It's almost embarrasing that I can't say I HAVE seen DBZ! Oh, yeah, it's huge, really popular, well known...oh, but I haven't seen it. I don't care about anime. I'm a NooB.
To me i looks like Dragonball Z has a file for most of it's episodes. So now go download those files so you can see your dragonball at any time.
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I think you're wrong there. There are some (a lot) of animes where files were never released. I don't think is bad having them, and having an option to mark them as watched on TV/DVD or whatever would be nice. In fact aniDB is an Anime Database, centered in files but not only that.Skywalka wrote:The DB is not about the Anime you have seen, it is about the fansubs that you have seen and rate it.
Anyway, I would wait for exp words on it instead of starting a heated discussion about it.
aw... you sissy. 
I agree - AniDB should be that. But currently it isn't and since the focus currently lies on files and the problems with them (hashes, multiple episodes in one file, bitrates and everything) I really doubt that AniDB currently has the goal of beeing a real Anime Database.
Best example for that is that not all Anime listed on animenfo are in AniDB. Another would be that most of the descriptions are simply copied over from animenfo.
The only thing that currently goes towards a real Anime database is the review function but even that is mostly a hint whether you would want that anime or not. Kinda like animeondvd.com, and that isn't a database of all Anime either, that is a database on all Anime on DVD.
At the moment I would say that AniDB is for computer video/subtitle files what AnimeonDVD for DVDs.
But I agree, let's wait for an update by EXP on his "mission statement" ^_^
I agree - AniDB should be that. But currently it isn't and since the focus currently lies on files and the problems with them (hashes, multiple episodes in one file, bitrates and everything) I really doubt that AniDB currently has the goal of beeing a real Anime Database.
Best example for that is that not all Anime listed on animenfo are in AniDB. Another would be that most of the descriptions are simply copied over from animenfo.
The only thing that currently goes towards a real Anime database is the review function but even that is mostly a hint whether you would want that anime or not. Kinda like animeondvd.com, and that isn't a database of all Anime either, that is a database on all Anime on DVD.
At the moment I would say that AniDB is for computer video/subtitle files what AnimeonDVD for DVDs.
But I agree, let's wait for an update by EXP on his "mission statement" ^_^