Fansub/Rip flag [DONE/DENIED]

I am me · Post by **I am me** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 9:11 am

So we can know if a file is a fansub from japanese TV/DVD or pure rip from US (or other) DVD

azntimm · Post by **azntimm** » Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:32 pm

I don't know what the men upstairs think, but I'm pretty sure that sort of thing is obvious based on whether it's listed as DVD or DTV/TV sourced on the file info. Maybe what you want to know is... is this file an exact US DVD rip (so that the subtitles, etc., everything, are all the same as a regular DVD release), but I'm not so sure that's important enough to add a feature... And really, how would a person adding the files know for sure that no changes were made to the source ("Let's switch the name order so it matches the Japanese order, and add the titles denoting level of respect left out of the R1 DVD," etc.), without actually having the R1 DVD with them and checking as they went along...

LStranger · Post by **LStranger** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:04 pm

azntimm wrote:I don't know what the men upstairs think, but I'm pretty sure that sort of thing is obvious based on whether it's listed as DVD or DTV/TV sourced on the file info.

It isn't obvious at all - there are many DVD fansub releases. For example - Tenshi na Konamaiki from Anime-Empire or Kaze no Yojimbo from Soldats.

azntimm · Post by **azntimm** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:49 pm

Ok, that makes sense, however I'm not quite sure that the person adding the file would necessarily know or not. Maybe the savvy watcher would know based on an .nfo file when it the files were distro'd, or they lurk the IRC channel of the releasers or read some anime forum; but I imagine most people would have no clue whether it was or not. You could always add a "DO NOT TOUCH THIS OPTION IF YOU DO NOT KNOW" tag right below the option on the file-add page, but it almost seems like your asking them to touch it. It's much easier to correct hash/codec/etc. information because this is freely available to anyone who has the file. Whether or not the release group wrote their own subs...

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:14 pm

A good indicator would be dual audio. Those are always R1 DVDrips with an English dub.
Although lately I read that ZX edits those subs because the DVD subs often suck compared to fansubs/fansubbed DVDrips (like not including honorifics as -san, -chan). Which is exactly my opinion

There are a few more groups who correct or alter subs sometimes, but not much though.

Post by **exp** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:32 pm

hm,

I don't know if this should be added.
As was already pointed out in many cases it will be quite hard to get the info.
I guess in most cases the group is a better indicator.
So maybe something like a "ripping" flag should rather be set for the group and not for individual files.

BYe!
EXP

wahaha · Post by **wahaha** » Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:15 pm

There are groups that do:
- (dvd-)fansubs
- hkdvd-sub-editing [could be counted as fansub]
- dvd-ripping
Flags for each of them might help having a good overview of what a group did, maybe with a triple-state (yes/no/unknown) as it's not always known what the source is.

However, I don't see much use for even the "ripping"-indication alone, to be honest. It's not really hard to get to know who's a fansubber and who's not - and that info could aswell just be added to the description-field.

Gambit wrote:Although lately I read that ZX edits those subs because the DVD subs often suck compared to fansubs/fansubbed DVDrips (like not including honorifics as -san, -chan).

If you refer to Mentar's post in the ZX Tsukihime project looking for extra translators-thread: You misread that. ZX doesn't (yet) change the honorifics for R1s. They plan to do it for their fansub-project and maybe also for future R1s.

Iceman[grrrr] · Post by **Iceman[grrrr]** » Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:25 am

exp wrote:So maybe something like a "ripping" flag should rather be set for the group and not for individual files.

I guess it should be made for the group/series association as a same group could change the way it releases it stuff depending on the series.

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:47 pm

A per group setting isn't that useful, but for a series seems to be ok.

Post by **exp** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:31 pm

well,

as i understand it such a flag is neither usefull on anime nor on group level?
so is there any real interest in a rip/fansub flag on anime<->group relation level?

BYe!
EXP

Iceman[grrrr] · Post by **Iceman[grrrr]** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:58 am

it would certainly help to know the quality of the subs if there are: dvd, fansub, hkdvd

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:56 am

Yes, I think you can add a column to the group info for each anime with the kind of release for this anime.

Post by **exp** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:02 pm

is this only about the sub quality?
if it is, would this become useless once a seperate quality flag is added for files @ sub quality ?

BYe!
EXP

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:37 pm

I don't think it's about quality but about the kind of subs made for the series. I should state I don't care about this, just as you say about quality.

Iceman[grrrr] · Post by **Iceman[grrrr]** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:54 pm

As DonGato said, it is just to know the type of subs there are, but it would indeed make the subs quality @ file obsolete since it would be easier to check the type into the group info table than checking every episode.