Show cliffhangers [DENIED]

wahaha · Post by **wahaha** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:11 pm

Since there has been some (internal) argument on the matter whether anidb should show cliffhangers or not, I'd like to ask that publicly:
Do you want to keep the cliffhanger-indication: Yes or No

Example: Scrapped Princess

Pro:
- Might keep you from watching an ep with a cliffhanger until you have the next one

Con:
- Most of the time, it spoils the ending of one episode

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:35 pm

I guess it wouldn't hurt to remove that feauture.

For some animes, it's almost like every episode is a cliffhanger since the storyline is a very important factor and the tension arc spans over the entire anime. Take KGNE as an example. The indicator is rather useless here, since it'd have to be applied to all episodes so far.

And besides, if we were watching these episode in regular TV or DTV, there'd be no cliffhanger warnings - we'd just have to wait until next week to see how the story continues.

kidan · Post by **kidan** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:29 am

I think cliffhangers should be indicated only at the last episode of an anime.
Well, how can the last episode be a cliffhanger you ask? This might happen, if an anime has got no real end in the TV-series, but an OVA / Special which directly picks up the storyline.

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:33 am

I don`t see how indicating a cliffhanger will be useful. Even if the final episode has a cliffhanger and doesn`t continue - so what? If you decide to watch it, you`ll notice it anyway ...

Post by **nwa** » Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:34 am

I'd say loose the cliffhanger indication
it's hard to define cliffhangers
for me for example, every episode of Gundam SEED was a cliffhanger

requiem · Post by **requiem** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 3:38 am

I really don't find it necessary. Recaps make sense being mentioned, since they can easily be determined...but as nwa said "every episode of Gundam SEED was a cliffhanger": likewise is with many other animes, and there was often no cliffhanger icon.

Overall I'm neutral to having it, but it is no loss.

Post by **exp** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:41 am

well,

i think the real problem is the definition of a cliffhanger.
i'd say it has to be seen in relation with the other eps of the anime, meaning an ep is only a cliffhanger if it is compared to the other eps.

"every episode of Gundam SEED was a cliffhanger", i haven't seen gundam seed yet, but in this case i would mark none of the eps as cliffhanger.

i am aware that the feature becomes kinda useless once we use different standards to decide if something is a cliffhanger or not, and we will certainly do so.

dunno yet, maybe i'll remove it again some day, maybe not.

BYe!
EXP

taj · Post by **taj** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 10:36 pm

Why not define cliffhanger like: it is cliffhanger, if episode ends with "To be continued..."? Leaving the decision, on whater episode is cliffhanger or not, to maker of Anime.

wahaha · Post by **wahaha** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:31 am

taj wrote:Why not define cliffhanger like: it is cliffhanger, if episode ends with "To be continued..."? Leaving the decision, on whater episode is cliffhanger or not, to maker of Anime.

Although I'd like this to work, to my knowledge, there are only very very few animes that have such an indication.

I like kidan's idea to associate "cliffhanger on last ep" with "unfinished" (vs. "open ended" or simply "finished"), although I'd also want to keep the cliffhanger-indication as it [selfquote:] 'might keep you from watching an ep with a cliffhanger until you have the next one'.

As the poll is at 40-60 (with an incredibly high statistical significance ^^;), I'd like to make a simple suggestion that might satisfy nearly everyone:
If "show cliffhangers" was made a profile-option, everyone could decide on his own whether one likes that feature or not. How about that? ^^

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:46 am

wahaha wrote:
taj wrote:Why not define cliffhanger like: it is cliffhanger, if episode ends with "To be continued..."? Leaving the decision, on whater episode is cliffhanger or not, to maker of Anime.
Although I'd like this to work, to my knowledge, there are only very very few animes that have such an indication.

And some have that after *every* episode. Gilgamesh, for example, always ends with "être continue" which is French for "to be continued".

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:35 am

Same goes for Detective Academy Q which also ends with a 'To be continued' which kinda hits you in the face if you`re too close -_-;

kidan · Post by **kidan** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:07 am

I just wanted to add, that most anime TV-Series I've seen so far end an episode with 'suzuku' (written in hiragana), which means 'to be continued' / 'next time'.

I think exp could add the recap-flag, as this will really be useful for sorting out 'boring' episodes. (I really liked the NGE recaps, as those had some epical aspect and nice action in compressed form )

wahaha · Post by **wahaha** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:59 am

kidan wrote:I just wanted to add, that most anime TV-Series I've seen so far end an episode with 'suzuku' (written in hiragana), which means 'to be continued' / 'next time'.

I don't remember having seen tsuzuku in that many different animes. Even worse, I remember that it was often used to just indicate that "there will be a next ep", regardless of the current tension, so I think it's not really suited for cliffhangers...

kidan wrote:I think exp could add the recap-flag, as this will really be useful for sorting out 'boring' episodes.

It's already implemented since a while and can be seen in Chobits for example.

kidan wrote:(I really liked the NGE recaps, as those had some epical aspect and nice action in compressed form )

That's of course the problem of a neutral recap-icon - it doesn't help you distinguish a possibly boring recap from a good one.

kidan · Post by **kidan** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:22 pm

wahaha wrote:It's already implemented since a while and can be seen in Chobits for example.

Oh my, exp was faster on this one, than I could immagine. (I guess I had not seen this icon so far).

The 'tsuzuku' I've seen also meant that there is a next episode, thus making it no good indicator. This is what I wanted to state above.

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