[CHII] @find [done]

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I know it would be a somewhat strange addition to chii, but I'll suggest it anyway

@find whatever

Could return any (one or better up to three) ed2k-link to files of:
1) An anime named "whatever"; maybe ep1 if no other hint is given and/or a db-link
2) An anime named "whatever", the ep according to the number given in "whatever"
3) An ep where the title includes words in "whatever"
4) ...?

There's only partial use for #anidb, since IIRC only searching by ep-title is not covered anywhere, is it?
For #animereactor, one might want to remove kickban on @find beforehand

I think it would mainly be some sort of advertising for ed2k if @find *does* return something

Future possibilities: If Chii joined other (fansub) channels aswell [if allowed, that is], it would be a good advertising of "her" functionality - although there's definitely a need for flood-protection before joining #aone and such

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well,

i don't think we need a @find command in #anidb or #ar. Ppl who join a random channel just to do a !list or @find are not the ppl we need. That's why i'd say we better stick to the kick ban.
however, it might be a good idea to let chii msg or notify every user doing a !list or @find with a message like this one: "there are no fservs in this channel, visit http://www.anidb.net to get access to <filesize in gb here> GB worth of anime ed2k links." or something similar.

about chii joining in fansub channels to promote anidb, that's actually a great idea! i like that one )
although i'd have to write a somewhat more abuse proove version of chii first. And i'd let it run as a 2nd bot.
Any ideas on which fansub channels might allow such a bot?
Hm, most prolly wouldn't mind as long as it only notices the messages to the user requesting !list or @find.
Then again for a !list we could only return such a plain spam message as the one above, which isn't a good idea imho.

another thing, do ppl search for files by epname only? i mean without the name of the anime?

BYe!
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well,

i don't think we need a @find command in #anidb or #ar. Ppl who join a random channel just to do a !list or @find are not the ppl we need. That's why i'd say we better stick to the kick ban.

Maybe some of those randomly joining people become interested in it then, stay and even participate
But both edonkey and anidb are not newbiefriendly enough to make this a real success. There is a need for guides on using edonkey, Chii and the anidb-webpage beforehand... Something like "getting started" at least

however, it might be a good idea to let chii msg or notify every user doing a !list or @find with a message like this one: "there are no fservs in this channel, visit http://www.anidb.net to get access to <filesize in gb here> GB worth of anime ed2k links." or something similar.

Instead of "Peons shouldn't say that - baka!" or "Read the topic you dork"? Good idea
I'd still suggest a dynamic reply to @find, though... (maybe since I'm not the one who has to bear with the variety of @find-texts (see below) )

although i'd have to write a somewhat more abuse proove version of chii first. And i'd let it run as a 2nd bot.

!seteptitle naruto 1 WaggaWagga
!seteptitle naruto 2 WaggaWagga
...
Sure thing

Then again for a !list we could only return such a plain spam message as the one above, which isn't a good idea imho.

The !list-reply would need a fool-proof text to prevent too many... well... fools to think here are *direct* downloads

another thing, do ppl search for files by epname only? i mean without the name of the anime?

Ok, you got me. They rarely do...

(Good?) Examples from my #animeone-log

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@find azumanga
@find mahoromatic s2 1
@find [ua]haibane_renmei_-_08.avi
@find steel angel kurumi
@find senki ii 7
@find sister primcess repure
@find x the movie
@find karekano
@find ranma
@find is
@find ai_yori_aoshi
@find nurato 11
@find [uta]inu_yasha_the_movie_-_the_love_that_transcends_time.avi
@find [smr]urotsukidoji-legend_of_the_overfiend-dvd[1of2].avi
@find Abenobashi_Mahou_Shoutengai_-_04.avi
@find [ishin]_asagiri_no_miko_-_13.avi
@find Sakura_Taisen_-_The_Movie_(Ishin).avi
@find 4E1D1EA4
@find those who hunt elvers II ep 10
@find [p-a]Princess Nine
@find I''s_OAV_-_01_[AonE].avi
@find full*moon*24
@find ebichu*13
@find FFU
@find [ANBU-AonE]_Naruto_11_[032A995A]
@find Ghost_in_the_Shell\Ghost_in_the_Shell_Stand_Alone_Complex_-_05_[AonE].avi
@find naruto 12/msg AonE|Ciber3 xdcc send 2
@find GITS 5" <-- tut tut tut
@find some global clue sufficient to everyone
@find the meaning of life
@find DICTIONARI Spanish - English

(Ugly color)
Anime Name only, Anime Name including some addition, full filenames, interesting ways to indicate a second season, misspellings, search by CRC (interesting one ^^), attempts to use wildcards, abbreviations and doings of plain idiots...
I guess I saw ep-titles in @find only when people searched for a full filename which included the title

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Maybe some of those randomly joining people become interested in it then, stay and even participate
But both edonkey and anidb are not newbiefriendly enough to make this a real success. There is a need for guides on using edonkey, Chii and the anidb-webpage beforehand... Something like "getting started" at least

In deed, we really need more docs for the anidb. Feel free to contribute some }:o)
Well about those ppl participating in anidb, dunno about that. Some might, others might not. But i still think we should kick/ban such ppl. Of course we could also notice them a short AniDB ad message (after the kick )

Instead of "Peons shouldn't say that - baka!" or "Read the topic you dork"? Good idea
I'd still suggest a dynamic reply to @find, though... (maybe since I'm not the one who has to bear with the variety of @find-texts (see below) )

dunno about that. I'll think about it once i have too much time at my hands

!seteptitle naruto 1 WaggaWagga
!seteptitle naruto 2 WaggaWagga
...
Sure thing

actually i ment more like flooding abuses, bc the one @ seteptitle can be fixed bc the old titles are backuped, but it would be a hassle to restore them anyway
and to make it flood prove (i.e. seperate send thread with a tosend queue) i'd probably have to rewrite a new anidb irc bot in some other programming language besides perl bc perls process/thread handling is a pain in the a$$.

The !list-reply would need a fool-proof text to prevent too many... well... fools to think here are *direct* downloads

in deed

Ok, you got me. They rarely do...

(Good?) Examples from my #animeone-log

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@find azumanga
@find mahoromatic s2 1
@find [ua]haibane_renmei_-_08.avi
@find steel angel kurumi
@find senki ii 7
@find sister primcess repure
@find x the movie
@find karekano
@find ranma
@find is
@find ai_yori_aoshi
@find nurato 11
@find [uta]inu_yasha_the_movie_-_the_love_that_transcends_time.avi
@find [smr]urotsukidoji-legend_of_the_overfiend-dvd[1of2].avi
@find Abenobashi_Mahou_Shoutengai_-_04.avi
@find [ishin]_asagiri_no_miko_-_13.avi
@find Sakura_Taisen_-_The_Movie_(Ishin).avi
@find 4E1D1EA4
@find those who hunt elvers II ep 10
@find [p-a]Princess Nine
@find I''s_OAV_-_01_[AonE].avi
@find full*moon*24
@find ebichu*13
@find FFU
@find [ANBU-AonE]_Naruto_11_[032A995A]
@find Ghost_in_the_Shell\Ghost_in_the_Shell_Stand_Alone_Complex_-_05_[AonE].avi
@find naruto 12/msg AonE|Ciber3 xdcc send 2
@find GITS 5" <-- tut tut tut
@find some global clue sufficient to everyone
@find the meaning of life
@find DICTIONARI Spanish - English

(Ugly color)
Anime Name only, Anime Name including some addition, full filenames, interesting ways to indicate a second season, misspellings, search by CRC (interesting one ^^), attempts to use wildcards, abbreviations and doings of plain idiots...
I guess I saw ep-titles in @find only when people searched for a full filename which included the title

hm, another question first, which channels would allow such a bot?
did u ask some of the ops once?
and might there be interest in having a full fledged chii[ar] style bot in their chan?
probably no messages directly to chan though? so only notice/query?

it might be a real good idea if we could officially establish a chii[ar] style bot in a couple of fansub group channels.
i think that would bring us losts of users and if the fansubbers themselves start using chii they will probably add their releases b4 they are even officially out and that would ROCK! }:o)

well it would be nice if you could ask some of the ops in the various fansub chans on aniverse.

but i guess what we need the most ATM are better guides on how to use the anidb, most new ppl just don't understand the anidb and it's really sad if we loose dedicated ppl just bc they didn't understand the anidb

BYe!
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In deed, we really need more docs for the anidb. Feel free to contribute some }:o)

Gotta fix my OS before that

But i still think we should kick/ban such ppl. Of course we could also notice them a short AniDB ad message (after the kick )

What disappoints the leecher more? A kickban or a message he can't do anything with, forcing him to leave on his own? ^^

!seteptitle naruto 1 WaggaWagga
!seteptitle naruto 2 WaggaWagga
...
Sure thing

actually i ment more like flooding abuses, bc the one @ seteptitle can be fixed bc the old titles are backuped, but it would be a hassle to restore them anyway
and to make it flood prove (i.e. seperate send thread with a tosend queue) i'd probably have to rewrite a new anidb irc bot in some other programming language besides perl bc perls process/thread handling is a pain in the a$$.

Dunno about threads in perl, but I guess it's never a good idea to go the quick-and-dirty-way ... so, ganbatte-ne? ^^

hm, another question first, which channels would allow such a bot?
did u ask some of the ops once?
and might there be interest in having a full fledged chii[ar] style bot in their chan?
probably no messages directly to chan though? so only notice/query?

Sorry, I did not ask any ops yet. Mainly because I can't offer anything to convince *them*, say, guides (and all the stuff listed below). I know that this one has been repeated in every post now, but if an op is not interested in figuring it out on his own, a second chance might be even harder to get.
Plus, I'm not sure how, e.g., #r-b would react if "!file sk 20" returns "Multiple fids: soldats / r-b" ... or even a-j-files on etg.
I'd prefer preparing for these possibilities, at least by discussing them before advertising for anidb.

(OT:) As a question of philosophy, should anidb just index all files regardless of group-type (etg-fansubs, aniverse-fansubs, dvdrips, a-j [as a class of it's own]) and let the users rate the files? Or should files be hidden if they're not "good" in any term? (Feel free to choose a better subforum if you want to reply to that ^^)

it might be a real good idea if we could officially establish a chii[ar] style bot in a couple of fansub group channels.
i think that would bring us losts of users and if the fansubbers themselves start using chii they will probably add their releases b4 they are even officially out and that would ROCK! }:o)

For sure, *that* would be great although one should talk about the !addfile-issue then. I guess everyone thinks of "Adding a file to the DB" when he/she sees that instead of "Adding an already indexed file to my list".
Fansub ops would need an easy interface to access their entries, maybe some of them would also want to control the entries for their group, thus become a "partial mod".

One might want to think about another voting-system for file-quality, since (I guess) no group would want to add their files as "unknown" or anything below "high"! Maybe the users should be involved in that point, though I'm not sure how. (Rating every single file is a little annoying)

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!vote sk r-b 10-15 medium (maybe "good"?)
!vote sk soldats high
!vote sk r-b 15-25 high

ATM, it'd be too much to unclude such an option, but not if chii (in other channels) attracts more people.

Another point would be adding adding files using a short and easy way to let people have a good start - which could lead to a bunch of <100-file-users who loose their interest in anidb, but that might be solved by some email-reminder after x months of no login.

Seems like my motto is: the more you prepare in advance, the better ^^

Just a few points left for now:
- Why not use Chii as a CRC-database then, too? That might be a functionality that could convince some chans already!
- Include some easy way to let people leave remarks, say "!chii recommend", "!chii comment", "chii bug", or whatever - since that would be targeted to attract mostly IRC-users. Should it rather be an interesting way to switch to edonkey, or a help for IRC-users in order to attract them to try edonkey?
- Guides! I just imagined someone who starts using edonkey and adds .. about... 1000 files to his queue, since that's all the stuff he always wanted - no, not me ^^
- Add files via crc/size?
- Should one rename this thread to "Prepare Chii to take over all IRC-chans"?

well it would be nice if you could ask some of the ops in the various fansub chans on aniverse.

Maybe some of the smaller groups ^^

but i guess what we need the most ATM are better guides on how to use the anidb, most new ppl just don't understand the anidb and it's really sad if we loose dedicated ppl just bc they didn't understand the anidb

Agreed, I'll think about wasting some of my time for this (once I reinstalled the whole thing)

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What disappoints the leecher more? A kickban or a message he can't do anything with, forcing him to leave on his own? ^^

dunno, but kick/ban no kick/ban policy in AR is not for me to decide.
ask Noir04 about that.

Dunno about threads in perl, but I guess it's never a good idea to go the quick-and-dirty-way ... so, ganbatte-ne? ^^

well it would take much time to reimplement all the stuff and I don't have that time atm. however i'll think about that.

Sorry, I did not ask any ops yet. Mainly because I can't offer anything to convince *them*, say, guides (and all the stuff listed below). I know that this one has been repeated in every post now, but if an op is not interested in figuring it out on his own, a second chance might be even harder to get.
Plus, I'm not sure how, e.g., #r-b would react if "!file sk 20" returns "Multiple fids: soldats / r-b" ... or even a-j-files on etg.
I'd prefer preparing for these possibilities, at least by discussing them before advertising for anidb.

you're ryt of course, we don't want to loose those ppl just bc we don't have enough help files yet

Chii won't leave aniverse anytime soon. And if she'll join other irc networks those will be only the ones which don't care about licenced stuff.
So atm we're only thinking about groups on aniverse.
currently that would be 64 of 177 groups in the anidb database.

about the mutliple files issue, well, once could think about giving precedence to the files of the group of the current channel.
so the output might list the info for the file of that group + (other files: 7289/AJ, 3782/Soldats, ...)
not sure about that though.

(OT:) As a question of philosophy, should anidb just index all files regardless of group-type (etg-fansubs, aniverse-fansubs, dvdrips, a-j [as a class of it's own]) and let the users rate the files? Or should files be hidden if they're not "good" in any term? (Feel free to choose a better subforum if you want to reply to that ^^)

i am not sure if i got your point there. so you're suggesting that stuff like aj subs or files marked/voted low/med quality should not be displayed by chii?
what would we gain by hiding files?

For sure, *that* would be great although one should talk about the !addfile-issue then. I guess everyone thinks of "Adding a file to the DB" when he/she sees that instead of "Adding an already indexed file to my list".

well we could rename that to !addtomylist if it helps

Fansub ops would need an easy interface to access their entries, maybe some of them would also want to control the entries for their group, thus become a "partial mod".

One might want to think about another voting-system for file-quality, since (I guess) no group would want to add their files as "unknown" or anything below "high"! Maybe the users should be involved in that point, though I'm not sure how. (Rating every single file is a little annoying)

Code: Select all

!vote sk r-b 10-15 medium (maybe "good"?)
!vote sk soldats high
!vote sk r-b 15-25 high

ATM, it'd be too much to unclude such an option, but not if chii (in other channels) attracts more people.

hm, I guess some kind of group-mod feature would really be usefull if a couple of groups start adding their files seriously.
it can be implemented, takes some time though and i would not start doing it until i know that ppl would use it later.
and about the quality, well, i don't think many ppl would take the time to actually vote for all the files. 95% of the votes for each file would probably be cast by members of the subbing group
i don't think an easy voting interface will change that fact, voting for 10.000 files (even on an anime basis) is simply a hassle so probably no one will do it.

Another point would be adding adding files using a short and easy way to let people have a good start - which could lead to a bunch of <100-file-users who loose their interest in anidb, but that might be solved by some email-reminder after x months of no login.

u mean adding of new files to the db via irc interface? that's really tricky and it will lead to ppl adding files without all the extra info.
however i don't see why that would lead to ppl with <100 files in mylist?

Seems like my motto is: the more you prepare in advance, the better ^^

well that's not a bad thing, though maybe you should just start doing some of the stuff }:o)

Just a few points left for now:
- Why not use Chii as a CRC-database then, too? That might be a functionality that could convince some chans already!
- Include some easy way to let people leave remarks, say "!chii recommend", "!chii comment", "chii bug", or whatever - since that would be targeted to attract mostly IRC-users. Should it rather be an interesting way to switch to edonkey, or a help for IRC-users in order to attract them to try edonkey?
- Guides! I just imagined someone who starts using edonkey and adds .. about... 1000 files to his queue, since that's all the stuff he always wanted - no, not me ^^
- Add files via crc/size?
- Should one rename this thread to "Prepare Chii to take over all IRC-chans"?

@crcdb:
you mean display crc and md5 sum in !file listing and !ed2k listing and include some new !crc crc, !md5 md5 commands? So ppl can retrieve crcs for files?. Well maybe better make a !crc cmd work like the !file cmd but without all the other file info and w/o ed2k link.
that's pretty simple to implement
@comment:
so u mean they should be able to send me comments or have some real wierd irc based forum style messaging? i don't see why we would need any of that. Just displaying the url to the anidb forum should be enough.
@guides
yeah this is a point we all know by heart now
@add by crc
what do u mean? adding a file with an ed2k link (hash+size)? something lilke !realfileadd {someed2klink}. well that would suck bc ppl would not add any of the extra file infos.

Maybe some of the smaller groups ^^

i.e. ?

Agreed, I'll think about wasting some of my time for this (once I reinstalled the whole thing)

thx, that would really help.


so what are our points until now:
- we need more docs/helps/howtos for chii and anidb
- chii should offer more crc based functions
- there should be something like a group-mod who is assigned to a group and can then edit all files by that group and that groups db entry.
- chii should send some anidb ad spam on !list cmd via notice
- chii should try to do a !file cmd out of a @find cmd and notice the reply
combined with some short notice that those are no direct download links
- implement new version of chii in some other programming language (i.e. java) and make it abuse and flood proof. Maybe make it modular in a way which allows anidb members to submit own extensions for chii
- advertise chii and anidb in subbing group chans on aniverse
...

BYe!
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basic ad spam @ !list and xdcc list cmds and simply search @find are now implemented.

BYe!
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