top 10 objection

airsBlue · Post by **airsBlue** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:15 pm

umm.. from my point u seems to like watching animes that have either drama or comedy faction on them .. but what i don't understand is way u are putting FMP 1 of ur top 10 .. it is totally in defferent sence than all of urs other top 10s.

Heck, while I'm at it I think we should let me override all votes in AniDB, I mean, if I've voted for anime X, clearly everyone elses opinion is inferiour and my vote should override theirs. So instead of Naruto being 7.64 (with the downvoting included) it would be 6.5, which is of course fully reasonable given it's my opinion.
Actually, we should change the scale of the voting system too, it's quite unreasonable that an anime like Naruto would get 6.5, 3.5 would be more reasonable actually.

Maybe we should remove the permanent votes and let everyone else temp vote, and once I have set my permanent vote the temp vote is hidden. If I temp vote all temp votes are also hidden of course.

We should not forget reviews either, if I find a review to differ with my godgiven opinion I should be able to delete it and permaban the reviewer from anidb forever along with sending a gang of policemen over to arrest the complete idiot who wrote something so unreasonable, minimum jail sentence 20 years, with a two nice cellmates named Brutus and Aironey, they have been senteced to abuse the heretic for 20 years.

I'll have a talk with EXP about these most urgent changes to AniDB, the site will be a much better place once I'm in firm control over what's quality and what's not.

umm.. it is a nice idea .. it maybe solve some problems in voting but placing the voting system under ur dictatorshipi really really hate to see that

can i ask u something .. can u watch any kind of anime ?? even if u don't like it can u watch it to the end ??[/quote]

Hoerie · Post by **Hoerie** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:30 pm

Someone missed the smell of sarcasm. How hard is it to ignore the top ten if you're not interested. I mean, complaining about it is just as stupid as complaining about MTV playing R&B all the time...

doomnezeu · Post by **doomnezeu** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:54 am

The issue here is related to the fact that it's an all-in-one top ten. There will allways be people who will not like certain genders. The problem is, many of these people have trouble understanding that "i dont like this anime" does not necesarily means "this anime suxx".

Trilandian · Post by **Trilandian** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:29 pm

Maybe this is a little off-topic, but I want to point out something that is partially to blame for the unfair and unreasonable ratings given to animes, and that is the issue with the 1 and 10 votes.

Here's the thing, I don't know if this is exactly true (and please, if you feel that I'm dead wrong then feel free to correct me), but I think the vast majority of the aniDB members don't appreciate the significance of the 1 and 10 votes.

Now, the issue with the 1 vote is quite obviously, as previously stated, the fact that it it used mainly as a tool by shitheads of all varieties to trash animes that are more popular than the ones they got the hots for. The best example for that is the current 66 1 votes that have been given to that Haruhi Suzumiya anime (I, personally, haven't watched it, but I very much doubt it could be bad enough to deserve a 1).
I mean, giving a genuine permanent 1 vote to an anime seems very unlikely to me, the reason being that I do not understand how someone can endure the entire duration of a show that he/she considers to be the worst he/she has ever seen. The only time I have ever given a 1 to an anime was a temporary vote I gave Azumanga Daioh (after watching the first 4 episodes, I felt like stabbing myself repeatedly with a screwdriver and slashing my wrists).

As for the 10 vote - I think people don't usually understand what it actually means. I mean, to give a 10/10 to an anime for me would mean that the anime I just watched was the finest piece of animated production that I have ever seen and watching it made me fall down to my knees and weep like an infant (figuratively speaking). I imagine most people don't attribute this much significance to the 10 vote, but considering how often it is given I think people treat it like I treat an 8 or something.

So, as you can see (and probably know already), the problem is the misunderstanding and misuse of the 1 and 10 votes. I think that maybe a release in the aniDB's news page reexplaining the significance of the voting scale could slightly improve its use (or not, your choice).

Hoerie · Post by **Hoerie** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:06 pm

I think that would solve nothing. People will simply up- and downvote anime for personal reasons. Different people will attach different values to the numbers 1-10.
Splitting the top ten into genres will just spread the same problem over multiple top ten lists.

When consulting the top ten list you should just keep into account that the votes are cast by people, and that 80% of people aren't very smart.

Trilandian · Post by **Trilandian** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:09 pm

A. I don't remember there being a suggestion of splitting top 10s into genres. And anyway that can't be done in the first place because of 2 reasons: 1. Almost all animes have multiple genres. 2. aniDB's genre system is undergoing maintenance.
B. I think we have already established that most people are tards.

Hoerie · Post by **Hoerie** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:12 pm

I was just reading into doomnezeu's post... The multiple genre thing doesn't really matter. As you could plot each anime's approximate position in 'genrespace' and thus assign them to a closest category. That wouldn't be exact, but them the votes aren't exact either.

Post by **fahrenheit** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:12 pm

Trilandian wrote:So, as you can see (and probably know already), the problem is the misunderstanding and misuse of the 1 and 10 votes. I think that maybe a release in the aniDB's news page reexplaining the significance of the voting scale could slightly improve its use (or not, your choice).

actualy they votes are explained, they rank from "1 - unwatchable" to "10 - master piece", the problem is thus not derived from lack of explanation on votes.
the problem actualy resides in the user end of the system, if something can fail my bet is allways on the user

I personaly rate animes from 5 to 10, giving 10 to only a couple of animes i realy enjoyed, and a 4 for a totaly bad anime, i'm a problem to the system with this type of voting, the thing is that i vote only for me, so that i can keep track of animes i liked and i in the overall don't trust rating systems, i prefer to ask someone reliable about their opinion or just go and watch the anime in question.
there aren't many pratical solutions to the voting/top10 problem:
1) totaly disable votes
2) make votes private or at least only available to your *anidb buddies*
3) turn anidb into a kind of totaly mod dependent system where only mods can cast their votes and acheive god like status
4) live with it, the system is allways prone to corruption anyway.

From a point of view of non-naziness, #4 is the only away to go, everyone is free to cast a vote, be it a hate vote or not, it's the users problem not mine, #1 and #3 are the nazi like solution

#2 is a half-way solution, kind of like the state of things we have today, not far from a *nazi* world and also not far from a *free* world.

Hoerie · Post by **Hoerie** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:15 pm

I think sticking 'nazi' to such things is a bit of an overreaction.

Looking at how things are done on anidb I'd say an open votesystem is the proper way of doing things.
It is up to the user to interpret things properly and vote properly.

Post by **fahrenheit** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:20 pm

Hoerie wrote:I think sticking 'nazi' to such things is a bit of an overreaction.

Looking at how things are done on anidb I'd say an open votesystem is the proper way of doing things.
It is up to the user to interpret things properly and vote properly.

yes it's an overstatement

doomnezeu · Post by **doomnezeu** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:30 pm

Hoerie wrote:I was just reading into doomnezeu's post... The multiple genre thing doesn't really matter. As you could plot each anime's approximate position in 'genrespace' and thus assign them to a closest category. That wouldn't be exact, but them the votes aren't exact either.

Of course votes are not exact. There is no poll, whatsoever,in the entire history of humankind, that can ever be exact. And yes, you are right with what you said. But you misunderstand me, i did not suggest a "let's organise genders" thinghie. Just stating the fact that all in one polls have more issues than others.

Trilandian · Post by **Trilandian** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:43 pm

fahrenheit wrote:actualy they votes are explained, they rank from "1 - unwatchable" to "10 - master piece".

I am well aware of aniDBs explanations on the votes, I was just stating that maybe some people ar to retarted too understand the curecnt explanations and an elaboration is required.

fahrenheit wrote:the thing is that i vote only for me

Overall, you make a valid point of how everyone has their own "way of voting", this is, quite possibly, the root of a very high portion of the problem.

egg · Post by **egg** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:00 pm

Trilandian wrote:
fahrenheit wrote:actualy they votes are explained, they rank from "1 - unwatchable" to "10 - master piece".
I am well aware of aniDBs explanations on the votes, I was just stating that maybe some people ar to retarted too understand the curecnt explanations and an elaboration is required.

Tards are tards. We can and have had other descriptions, had many multi-multi-page discussions on ways to get more accurate voting. Overall what we have now is probably is about as good as it gets, just ignore the tards and have the mods wipe the votes of the ultra-tards.

Trilandian · Post by **Trilandian** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:42 pm

Out of curiosity, how does one distinguish between a tard and an ultra-tard?

Post by **Der Idiot** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:27 pm

check the mirror