what is an anime and what is not
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what is an anime and what is not
some admin have recently deleted some serie (Xenosaga I & II, Brave Soul intro, and a few others) because they didnt correspond to their definition of anime.
Now i would like a clear definition of whats anime and whats not so we may know if one can add something to the db or not.
thank you
Now i would like a clear definition of whats anime and whats not so we may know if one can add something to the db or not.
thank you
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Well this is animedb, not hentaicgdb, cartoondb, or any of those ramifications.
I've found this link informative:
http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit. ... /Expl.html
I don't think that these 'anime influenced' new cartoons that are starting up in the US should be added to the db - like Code Lyoko, Totally Spies, etc. Despite their anime influence, they are still cartoon like, and usually lack a continous plot, and are made for half an hour entertainment for kids. An exception to this maybe Teen Titans, since there IS a continous plot, and there is character development.
Xenosaga I & II and Brave Soul that you mentioned were only hentai CGs as far as I know, and aren't even an animated hentai title - merely H games. They shouldn't even been entered into the db.
I've found this link informative:
http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit. ... /Expl.html
Obviously anime isn't just limited to just Japanese companies nowadays. Many countries produce manga, and even anime for them. I think the real question lies in what animation AniDB should encompass. I think the db should allow actual anime or hentai that has asian origins. Robotech for example has Japanese origins because they were licensed from Tatsunoko Studios for international distribution by Harmony Gold USA. The Animatrix should be allowed because it was animated by many well known Japanese artists.Many people might say "Manga are Japanese comics, and Anime is the Japanese version of animation. Anime is usually, but not always, the animated version of popular manga." That's partially true, but it can be misleading. (Note that "anime" in Japan technically means any animated film, and "manga" is any printed cartoon, but people in the rest of the world take them to mean animated films or comics from Japan.)
A third major difference is the unique Japanese manga and anime style, which is distinctive and fairly easy to recognize. This is not to say the style is limiting. Within this broad common stylistic ground, each manga artist's technique is distinct and unique. The stereotype is of characters with huge hair and large eyes, but there are many, many variations, from L. Matsumoto's seemingly unevenly drawn squash-shaped "ugly" protagonists, to the soft-edged figures in Miyazaki's work. And, of course, there is less emphasis on the "superhero" world of the U.S.. In most manga, the men and women aren't necessarily exaggerated extremes of their gender stereotypes, and they wear things other than skin-tight costumes. In fact, manga and anime characters tend to have unique and aesthetic tastes in fashion. (It's also true that many modern U.S. comics have thankfully broken this stereotype.)
I don't think that these 'anime influenced' new cartoons that are starting up in the US should be added to the db - like Code Lyoko, Totally Spies, etc. Despite their anime influence, they are still cartoon like, and usually lack a continous plot, and are made for half an hour entertainment for kids. An exception to this maybe Teen Titans, since there IS a continous plot, and there is character development.
Xenosaga I & II and Brave Soul that you mentioned were only hentai CGs as far as I know, and aren't even an animated hentai title - merely H games. They shouldn't even been entered into the db.
there WERE in the db ... until a few hours ago ...
The Xenosaga ep are capture from the game kinematics, but edited so you have the story being told just like any normal anime. there are 13+1 ep for Xenosaga 1 and the same group started doing the same for Xenosaga 2
as for Brave Soule, since some intro/outro of GAMES already existe in the db, i though it was ok that add that intro, which is just like any anime intro, but its for a game (if i didnt have told you it was a game you wouldnt have know...)
The Xenosaga ep are capture from the game kinematics, but edited so you have the story being told just like any normal anime. there are 13+1 ep for Xenosaga 1 and the same group started doing the same for Xenosaga 2
as for Brave Soule, since some intro/outro of GAMES already existe in the db, i though it was ok that add that intro, which is just like any anime intro, but its for a game (if i didnt have told you it was a game you wouldnt have know...)
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That is not anime. That some people is taking the time to do some captures, translate them and share it doesn't mean it's an anime.
As AMV are not allowed this shouldn't as well.
That they were in the DB isn't justification to keep them. You know how much entries were removed because they weren't considered correct?
And if there is no production company behind for me IT'S NOT ANIME, so I would know that... but I'm glad someone take care for us. I'm tired of seeing the database being polluted with wannabe anime, rumors, bogus files, repeated entries.
As AMV are not allowed this shouldn't as well.
That they were in the DB isn't justification to keep them. You know how much entries were removed because they weren't considered correct?
And if there is no production company behind for me IT'S NOT ANIME, so I would know that... but I'm glad someone take care for us. I'm tired of seeing the database being polluted with wannabe anime, rumors, bogus files, repeated entries.
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Like Dongato said, it's clearly not anime. There is stuff released on the AR forum that are rips of scenes from H games, but they aren't anime persay. I'm not sure how clearer it can be.DonGato wrote:That is not anime. That some people is taking the time to do some captures, translate them and share it doesn't mean it's an anime.
As AMV are not allowed this shouldn't as well.
That they were in the DB isn't justification to keep them. You know how much entries were removed because they weren't considered correct?
And if there is no production company behind for me IT'S NOT ANIME, so I would know that... but I'm glad someone take care for us. I'm tired of seeing the database being polluted with wannabe anime, rumors, bogus files, repeated entries.
I already knew Brave Soul was a hentai game. I didn't know what the special was about, but of course I could have asked you But like you said permidion, there should be a clear desciption of what should and shouldn't be entered into the db. As a mod, exp has already given us guidelines on what he wants and doesn't want in the db. And I'm pretty sure when he replies, he's going to say not to allow that hentai cg stuff. But what I do know is that he has clearly indicated on many occasions that he doesn't want unofficial AMVs, manga, osts, live action anime or hentai entered into AniDB. If they do happen to be entered they will be deleted.permidion wrote:as for Brave Soule, since some intro/outro of GAMES already existe in the db, i though it was ok that add that intro, which is just like any anime intro, but its for a game (if i didnt have told you it was a game you wouldnt have know...)
/me patiently waits for some other mod to comment -_-;;
well... I'm the one who theoretcially deleted Xenosaga1&2 and also Transformers Generation - http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2597
notice that the animation for season 1 of this anime was done by Toei animation, anything else was dione by the US people, as for other seasons, they were probably animated by the US people as well... also there is an US division of Toei Animation ( like you can see here --> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2952 )
Transofmers the Movie is also entered into AniDB and it should be deleted as well, but we'll wait for EXP for confirmation... or we can do the same as we did with Generations, delete it and then ask EXP if it was ok to do it
notice that the animation for season 1 of this anime was done by Toei animation, anything else was dione by the US people, as for other seasons, they were probably animated by the US people as well... also there is an US division of Toei Animation ( like you can see here --> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclo ... hp?id=2952 )
Transofmers the Movie is also entered into AniDB and it should be deleted as well, but we'll wait for EXP for confirmation... or we can do the same as we did with Generations, delete it and then ask EXP if it was ok to do it
I think you may have jumped the gun with the removal of Transformers Generation 1. Do japanese people have to be involved in order for it to be considered an anime (there were... you said so yourself)? What about korean or chinese animation... do we delete those as well? What about US animation that was inspired by and produced in the spirit of anime?... Xenosaga and Brave Soul were removed because they didn't have anything to do with animation, not because they were produced in western countries (they weren't).
I think your criteria on this is too strict (I mean, they are good enough for ANN - which also doesn't list US animation - but they are not good enough for AniDB), but that's just my oppinion of course.
I think your criteria on this is too strict (I mean, they are good enough for ANN - which also doesn't list US animation - but they are not good enough for AniDB), but that's just my oppinion of course.
Are you talking about files listed as "specials" for anime based on such games or about separate title for intro/outro? First should be allowed, IMHO, and second shouldn't.permidion wrote:as for Brave Soule, since some intro/outro of GAMES already existe in the db, i though it was ok that add that intro, which is just like any anime intro, but its for a game (if i didnt have told you it was a game you wouldnt have know...)
I agree that Transformers is Anime.
Other than that the rould _should_ apply that only Animation of japanese Origin is entered into AniDB with everything from Korea without japanese direct influence beeing debated here before it beeing allowed into the DB.
In the end even "The Simpsons" are drawn in Korea and I don't want them in the DB
Other than that the rould _should_ apply that only Animation of japanese Origin is entered into AniDB with everything from Korea without japanese direct influence beeing debated here before it beeing allowed into the DB.
In the end even "The Simpsons" are drawn in Korea and I don't want them in the DB
Brave Soul and Xenosaga were not listed as specials for another anime... they had their own entries in the database. I agree with you on this issue.rowaasr13 wrote:Are you talking about files listed as "specials" for anime based on such games or about separate title for intro/outro? First should be allowed, IMHO, and second shouldn't.
And if Simpsons was animated in Japan instead of Korea would that make it anime? Maybe in the beginning, anime could be classified as such based only on the origin. But today, in this global enviroment where shows are produced in a country for a different market (like Simpsons), what makes an animation anime is not just the origin anymore.Skywalka wrote:Other than that the rould _should_ apply that only Animation of japanese Origin is entered into AniDB with everything from Korea without japanese direct influence beeing debated here before it beeing allowed into the DB.
In the end even "The Simpsons" are drawn in Korea and I don't want them in the DB
What if there was a show produced in the US (or another western country) aimed specifficaly at the japanese market (less likely) or at the anime fans in that western country (more likely)? Would that be anime or not? Going just by the origin criteria is like saying... "You're not american because you were not born in America" (NOTE: I'm not american... that was just an example...)
That's just my oppinion, of course.