'Hentai' genre name changed to 'Adult Erotic Mature [closed]

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'Hentai' genre name changed to 'Adult Erotic Mature [closed]

Post by Ultima » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:07 pm

This issue has been bothering me a while. As I watch more adult anime, I've found the term 'hentai' derogatory. In Japan, adult anime is not refered to as 'hentai anime' but rather 'ero anime' or 'H anime'. The term 'hentai' also (depending on context) refers to different levels of ecchiness or pervertedness. However, in western culture, 'hentai' has become less of a Japanese term and rather English slang refering to anything with sexual themes. AniDB has had a history of being more Japanese than western. We use Japanese romaji for anime titles, use the Japanese viewing order, use the official Japanese episode count, and usually link to official Japanese sites instead of American ones. So I suggest changing the hentai genre to 'Adult' 'Erotic' or 'Mature'. These terms would be a more accurate description of these kind of anime.

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Post by egg » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:56 am

This sounds good to me in general as long as the distinctions between the genre can be made clear. How do we define what is in the Adult Genre?

Does that still only have things that have explicit sexual content? Could it include animes that have graphic footage from horror/action/... genres that are better suited for older audiences (equivalent to NC-17 in the US).

Would you keep Ecchi? If you are keeping Ecchi and the new genre is only for sexual content, then how do you distinguish between the two? If you are keeping Ecchi and Adult can have non-sexual anime, then would all existing Hentai records be converted to Ecchi & Adult?

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Post by kidan » Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:41 am

I vote for "H (Ero)" as the genre-name. This way it would be clear, that "hentai"-ecchi is meant and it would be obvious, that there is sexual content inside. And you'd avoid the term hentai of course ;)

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Post by Skywalka » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:09 pm

I think because most people don't know about what people in Japan "really" call it, it would pose a problem to rename it to the right term and end up with 90% of the userbase not understanding the meaning.

"Erotic" is definately something different from "Porn", and if you call it "H Anime" most people won't understand either. I most certainly would not get it without visiting a couple of pages of Animes from that genre.

Most people understand what "Hentai" means so I'd suggest adding something in brackets, like "Hentai (H Anime)".

I just don't want the users to be too confused about yet another thing on AniDB, it takes new users quite some time already to understand it all. Even I am still finding out stuff now and new about new features or stuff I never saw before so at least the most basic things should remain clear/obvious. I'd even suggest renaming it to "Pornography" because that is the lowest denominator for people who don't even know what Hentai is.

I would stick to the subject - "Adult/Mature/Erotic" would be a really good new name. It's pretty neutral.

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Post by nwa » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:12 pm

the problem with that is... that this way,things that before were not hentai, now end up in the same category as the former hentai titles...

Mature imo is out of the question, there are plenty of animes that are for a mature audience but that are not hentai
Erotic would probably drag some stuff considered as ecchi together with hentai.. that would mean stuff like Futari Ecchi and Erolutions - the title I've kept as ecchi with my life, to be put together with hentai... actually, I wouldn't mind having it this way...

Adult would probably be the best choice then... as that would only replace the genre hentai alone

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Post by DonGato » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:23 pm

Well, if you see other anime sites they already use the genre adult for anime. Series like Blue Gender are classified as adult and I agree with that. I even believe we had a discussion some time ago at the mod forum @ AR. Erotic is out of the question IMO (not related to the strong sexual content of hentai) and Mature is even more problematic as it's not intended just for sexual content but for a "mature" audience understanding "mature" themes.

I think is better to stick with hentai or use 'Adult (hentai)'.

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Post by exp » Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:47 pm

well,

I also think that sticking with hentai and maybe adding an additional tag would be the best way to handle it. Maybe call it "Hentai (Adult)".
Removing hentai completly will probably only confuse most users.
And just naming it adult is clearly out of the question anyway as that might put a lot of non-hentai titles in the same category.

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Post by nwa » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:25 pm

no no, Adult = only ero videos
Mature = animes such as Blue Gender

so Adult is appropriate, Mature is not

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Post by Elberet » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:14 am

Why not be blunt (honest) about it? Add "Pornographic" as a new genre and, initially, tag all current Hentai-animes as this. Then just let time (and CREQs) fix things so that non-hentai pornographic animes are being tagged correctly.

Unrelated question: Is there an anime that is clearly hentai but clearly not pornographic ?

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Post by nwa » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:50 am

yes, there are plenty of hentai's that don't show anything explicit
like Countdown: Akira Complex, Private Psycho Lesson, Tales of seduction etc.

and I'm against 'Pornographic' as a genre, it's too degrading even for hentais :lol:
and it doesn't sound too professional

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Post by DonGato » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:43 am

I'm against Adult as exp said... is not a good word to represent hentai. His proposal is similar to mine and I like it. :P

/me laughs at nwa comment long ago...
nwa wrote:My point is, you can't label something hentai just because it's only for adult audience or it contains sex scenes and Adult Forums is only ment for hentai or should I say anime pr0n to make it clearer, or is it not?

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Post by nwa » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:17 am

well, the word Adult is good enough for ANN to use for hentais

I don't get waht you're trying to say, DonGato, that I said 'Pornographic' is not a good word, but that I said something similar in the mod forum?
This and that are different, I only said anime pr0n to make it blatantly understandable, that doesn't mean I like to see that word as a representative for hentai genre

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Post by Gambit » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:47 am

@DonGato That`s called bitter sarcasm :P He tried to explain it with such blatant remarks in order to let everyone understand it. Doesn`t mean that he also means that it should be used as a genre.

An example for that would be explaining what anime is: Japanese cartoons. We don`t change the anime-genre into that either, do we? ;)

To get back on topic, I don`t mind 'Adult'. Although there are lots of 'Adult' rated series which don`t contain any hentai or sex-scenes at all, but are just really violent, based on US ratings. I wouldn`t mind keeping 'Hentai' though, but I`m not enough into hentai as Ultima is, so I can`t really say I disagree a lot with him. When one is into hentai as much as he is, one might become a bit more sensitive to labels, I guess.

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Post by DonGato » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:18 pm

Adult is not a representative word for Anime Porn, Hentai or whatever you call it. In fact I prefer to keep Hentai instead of the other propositions besides the one exp already stated.

If you see what Adult means you will see that is the same as Mature.

adult [a·dult || 'ædʌlt]
adj. mature, full grown
n. grown-up; mature person, mature animal

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Post by nwa » Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:28 pm

no point in bringing the dictionary in
you can give a word different meanings in different occasions, I was just going by the ANN definitions which seem logical for me, I myself would prefer to keep it Hentai like it has always been, think of the groups - Hentai-Heaven, Hentai-Zone and HentaiReactor.
Americanized, may be, but at least it's understandable for everyone.

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