Review Moderation & Trusted Users/Reviewers [DONE]

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 3:14 am

So you all still want to discourage new reviews?
That's what a 'Trusted 'extra-super-elite' reviewer' would accomplish IMHO. We already have a small number of reviewers... I don't think we need a change in what is used now... anyway I was against the review voting before and I'll be in the future.

*Goes to the dark side again*

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:29 am

kamenoko wrote:2. The system will create two classes, those who can approve reviews, and those who can't. Philisophically I feel this cannot work. I don't know what the rest of you think, but I don't want an elite class of users.

No time to provide a thorough check on everything everyone said just now, so I pick something out which bothered me.
If you don`t like any moderation/control about reviews, you`ll eventually get something like AnimeNFO. Although I can hardly imagine that anyone would even think of wanting such a system, even someone with a decent common sense would understand that something without any rules/control is just doomed to fail.
It`s like a forum without moderators or administrators, eventually someone will do something which annoys people and then you have a war.

Or imagine how AniDB would work when everyone was able to change the creqs without any mod keeping an eye on it so people won`t just change files randomly. You have to agree with me that you do need some elite in order to keep order.

The same goes for reviews; if you don`t set some rules or control, you`ll get something like AnimeNFO, where everyone bashes each other, or just writes something like 'cool.' without any use for the person who reads the review. If you want to have a database full of reviews where more than the half of it isn`t even worth looking at, why the hell would you even want the review section then? If people want to rant/discuss/post a fun quote/praise it, go to the forums. A review-section is not meant to do such a thing.

@DonGato How did you get to that idea? We have already discouraged people to write reviews with the limitation of 500 characters a review, but that`s not the point. The way we think of the new system is to make a decision whether a review is useful or just utter crap. Or I have to be completely wrong about the system.

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:08 am

DonGato wrote:anyway I was against the review voting before and I'll be in the future.

You're always welcome to suggest a different system that does not rely on public peer voting and yet still ensures that there's some quality control seeving out the worst reviews.

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:44 am

Gambit wrote:If you don`t like any moderation/control about reviews, you`ll eventually get something like AnimeNFO.

Please tell me which anime reviews in aniDB are going the AnimeNFO way. As I see the current system is working... I've visited the reviews for the series I follow and they are ok. Reviews that are good are up, reviews that are not or have flaws in the analysis* are down.

* not always a properly done review is good because sometimes the analysis of the series is done the wrong way.

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:34 pm

Note the word 'eventually'

Thinking more on long term here.

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 4:09 pm

"Ain't broken don't fix it". exp has lots of things to do to start thinking on what could happen...

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:07 pm

DonGato wrote:"Ain't broken don't fix it".

It is broken, tho...

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:40 am

Then show me the proof of it as I've asked before.

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:28 am

Look at the approval ratings. Every second meaningful review that points out a popular anime's weak points or praises an unpopular good sides gets rated down because too many people don't understand that the "yes, I approve of this review" vote is not about whether the review expresses their own opinion or not.

This is at least the third time I'm saying this in this same thread: The only thing I'm trying to achieve with my suggestions is to get rid of the approval votings. That's it. That's the whole deal. Unfortunately, we can't simply get rid of them without replacing these votes with another meaningful form of quality control.

Iceman[grrrr] · Post by **Iceman[grrrr]** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:30 am

It is broken because of the fanboy problem we have stated previously...

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:00 am

I don't see anything wrong with the current reviews voting. The best ones are on top as they should be. The worst ones or the ones that missed the point but analyzing the anime the wrong way are down.

Post by **nwa** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:56 pm

you are right, in most cases the best reviews are still on top regardless of being voted no multiple times although there is no reason to..
but that kind of voting actually discourages the ones who are writing the reviews...when the one who wrote a good review and he himself sees it as a good review but still gets voted no for no reason at all...that kinda pisses the review writer off and discourages the writer...

there are ppl who vote based on their opinions on the animes as someone openly confessed here (kidan..I think

) which is wrong...

wahaha · Post by **wahaha** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:05 pm

nwa wrote:but that kind of voting actually discourages the ones who are writing the reviews...when the one who wrote a good review and he himself sees it as a good review but still gets voted no for no reason at all...that kinda pisses the review writer off and discourages the writer...

So it's an ego-matter? o_O
If that's the case, just:
- let each reviewer decide whether their reviews are subject to the rating or not, so they'll neither move to "approved" or "disapproved" if they don't want to
- use stars instead of numbers, to get rid of the decimal places and to "please the eye", even for a bad review

If it's to "assure a certain level", I'd start with smaller changes like putting "add review" to a seperate page to make the HowTo-Link more visible (or put the whole text on the page) and maybe adding a "review discussion"-forum.

nwa wrote:there are ppl who vote based on their opinions on the animes [...] which is wrong...

That's too easy to say and I agree with Skywalka here (page 1). If someone believes an anime to be better (or worse) than what the review told, it can simply mean that in that person's opinion the review missed some main aspects of the anime, and is thus not helpful.
This is surely not the case for the Naruto-fanboys over at animenfo, but I don't remember any examples for reviews that have a significantly too high or low rating.

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:16 pm

wahaha stated the same I think. If this is all because some of the reviews some of us wrote are down even when believing they are done right, well not all people think that is true. I haven't seen any case where a very good review has been voted bad. Again, please be specific and came with examples.

Post by **nwa** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:15 am

nope, that was not the reason why we should remove the current system, I was just countering DonGatos statement that

DonGato wrote:So you all still want to discourage new reviews?
That's what a 'Trusted 'extra-super-elite' reviewer' would accomplish IMHO. We already have a small number of reviewers... I don't think we need a change in what is used now... anyway I was against the review voting before and I'll be in the future.

I'm saying that mostly ppl could get discouraged by this system also.. may it be ego or whatever

DonGato wrote:I haven't seen any case where a very good review has been voted bad. Again, please be specific and came with examples.

DonGato..you havn't seen any? o_O go look up the reviews of Berserk, Chobits, Onegai Teacher, Cowboy Bebop etc.

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