Review Moderation & Trusted Users/Reviewers [DONE]

Post by **nwa** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:27 pm

I vote someones review as yes(whether intentionally or by accident) and later discover that I actually wanted to vote no...
I think this was already requested or something but i'm noo lazy to search for it

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:34 am

I still second this request myself as well.

DonGato · Post by **DonGato** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:32 pm

Count me in.

Babaluma · Post by **Babaluma** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 8:47 pm

I also think this could be useful. Hmm... useful... that's just the word I had another definition for. Because I read the thread about the review system after I've voted for some reviews I wish to revoke all.

Skywalka · Post by **Skywalka** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:38 am

Honestly I still don't like the description of the review function.

While you should vote for the quality of the review, I still find myself in the need to vote for the person who wrote a review that fits my opinion, since in the end what is the benefit of voting a "Yes, that was helpful" for a review that is nice and thorough, praising the anime in question and I myself did not like that anime at all, disagree totally with the authors opinion and simply think why he described everything that was in the anime, he in my opinion simply "got it all wrong".

Take it or leave it, I think the voting system is supposed to be the way the Amazon.com rating system is and frankly I hate that one. I guess because (often) only the reviews with good opinions are displayed. I think this is inherited in the way people vote. You simply cannot make people stop from voting for the reviews they actually like and not the ones that helped them.

I therefor second the request. I would like to be able to judge a review before I watch the anime for my opinion most definately changes after I saw one.

alaureijs · Post by **alaureijs** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:39 pm

Matter of opinion.... *S*

requiem · Post by **requiem** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:52 pm

I agree to this request as well.

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:22 pm

Skywalka wrote:I guess because (often) only the reviews with good opinions are displayed. I think this is inherited in the way people vote. You simply cannot make people stop from voting for the reviews they actually like and not the ones that helped them.

There are people (regulars) who vote for reviews, to make sure the good reviews are on top and the bad reviews sink to the bottom. That way also the reviews which say the anime is bad will still be able to get to a high position (check Berserk and look where my review stands, the series doesn`t even get to the 5.5 mark according to my review).

kamenoko · Post by **kamenoko** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:51 pm

I feel the peer review rating system should be scrapped altogether, or delayed until such time as it is absolutely necessary. Say when we start receiving about 20 reviews per anime. I have some specific reasons for this:

Voting for reviews will create an elitist class among the anidb. People will always vote yes for specific people's reviews despite whether they are helpful or not. This is already beginning to happen.

People will begin to tailor their reviews to please the audience rather than give their honest opinion about an anime. When this happens all reviews will begin to look alike, and the review system will be rendered useless.

A voting system insults my intelligence. If someone is too ignorant to tell a good anime review from a bad anime review, that's their business. I would rather not be told which anime warrants my attention, but that's merely my opinion.

I realize that it is unlikely that the review system will be scrapped, but I know someone who has pulled all their reviews from the website over it. I won't go to that extreme because maybe some of my reviews will influence someone to make a conscientious decision about an anime. In the end I don't vote for reviews, I feel it's a circle-jerk mechanism used to stroke individuals ego's, and should be done away with.

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:53 am

However, without any review voting, how could the site determine if a review is good or blatant spam?

Maybe new reviews should require a moderator to approve them before they are made public? However, that'd dump even more work on the mods.

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 9:50 am

Elberet wrote:However, without any review voting, how could the site determine if a review is good or blatant spam?

Maybe new reviews should require a moderator to approve them before they are made public? However, that'd dump even more work on the mods.

I wouldn`t mind checking them all before approving them, but then I`m gonna be harsh, considering the huge number of reviews we already have, and the number of reviews being submitted.

But besides that, I think a couple of people object against this idea, since they believe that everyone should be able to post a review.

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:08 pm

Then how about splitting them into different pages?

As suggested before, reviews are hidden until they are approved.
Once approved, the review appears in the usual page and counts towards the avg. review rating.
Blatant spam ("This rocks! 7x10!") and things that simply aren't reviews are deleted immediately, however this is an exception.
Everything else - completely redundant reviews, reviews that are too short or miss the point - in short, the big, gray mass of more or less useless reviews, is assigned a third state ("disapproved?"), does not count towards the avg. review rating and appears on a separate page (link: "Read more reviews.")
The display order of reviews is no longer determined by the approval rating but simply by the time they were posted. Sorting-links could be added to allow the reader to select whether to see newest or oldest reviews first.

That should settle everything: No more voting, no more favoritism, spam prevention, everyone can submit reviews (altho they would probably not end up on the anime's main review page), etc.

kidan · Post by **kidan** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:01 am

Hmm, I think I suggested this system quite some time ago and I'm still in favour of it.

Elberet · Post by **Elberet** » Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:13 pm

Yup, you're right. Parts of this discussion already exist in some other thread. But I'm just too lazy to hunt that down right now.

Post by **nwa** » Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:28 pm

ooh so ppl have already started complaining about the voting system..

first of all Skywalka: lemme get this straight..you would vote no or have already voted no to an anime that you have seen and find out that your opinion differs from the reviewers one? that's called lameness actually, I would have voted no for most of the reviews then...if there is a written guide on how to vote then you just follow it and not break the rules

what komenoko said was all true, I knew all this would happen from the day it was first suggested, my support went and still goes to Elberet's idea for having a mod(s) to check the reviews before made public and anyone would be able to post the review, as long as it follows the rules of being long enough and be appropriate in terms of ethics as no rewriting of story, no malicious spoiling and not too engrish
as for Elberet's other idea.. I dunno..it could work as well