exp wrote:For me, one of the main points against this would be that it kinda declares comments as being something like short reviews.
Well, that`s not what I meant, actually (although DonGato seems to make it sound like I meant that). The comments are for me like 'short remarks'. That can be a 'shout
' (zomg!! cool series!!!111
), but like DonGato says, also an 'infocomment
' (this series actually won an award for best Korean animation all time
), 'personal comment
' (I liked this because of the story.
) or even 'recommendations
' (if you liked x then you will like this too
). Of course, most (not all) of what I just named are usually already integrated in regular reviews, so it would also have a duty for people who want to convey something without writing an in-depth review.
It would probably also serve for people who write short reviews which are not good enough for regular reviews. So yeah, it has its use for lots of things which aren`t suited for the regular reviews.
exp wrote:In fact, in most cases reviews and comments are probably written by different user groups. Most people who write comments will never write a review. And those few users who actually do write reviews can savely be considered as being mostly advanced users.
I agree with you there. But then again, currently there are also a bunch of potential comment-users who are currently writing reviews, who would be better off writing a comment instead.
One of the benefits of such a comment system could be that it might keep the review section cleaner. As such, the farther it is away from the review pages the better. If some tard normally doesn't open the review page but is happily spamming away in the comments page, then hey, maybe he never gets to write crappy reviews bc he simply ignores that page
On the other hand, when he is in the same interface already... "hey, i just need a couple more lines and i can make this a review and then i will be able to b00st th3 sc0re if this uber l33t series..."
What about having it somewhere near the group-votes, or near the description? Because there is not that
much space for not putting it near the reviews-link.
As for the extra lines, I don`t think you should add a short character limit. Still - 500 characters (minimum for reviews) doesn`t seem likely for a comment if you have some useful info. 500 characters does defeat the purpose of a comment, while it may probably be already a not-so-bad review already. A message like 'This comment is over 500 characters long and seems more suited like a gradable review, would you like to convert it to a review?
' would be appropriate there. Then the user still has the option to say 'no'.
Cyrano423 wrote:It would also solve the problem of people complaining about the votes they get on their reviews. If they don't want their review to be voted on, then they can make it "personal" but doing so means it won't get the priority of reviews people voted on.
So you mean that reviewers who don`t want to get criticized should make their review in the comment/private section? I wonder if that`s useful ...
Gambit wrote: Woah, woah, woah. Those are guidelines, my friend. They do not need to be followed, but it is always appreciated if there are several aspects named.
Guidelines eventually become a standard. Since when voting or rating people start thinking, "was this covered? was that?" Which in turn indirectly creates a requirement. Requirements that they are basing upon the guidelines. Then as people attempt to follow the guidelines it pushes it further into a site standard or unofficial rule. The more people complain about low votes or ratings, the more others might try to write in a manner to get better ratings. While this is inherently good ... because it increases quality. However, the guidelines become the standard eventually alienating those who do differently.
Well, you do have a point there ... although I also pointed out several examples of people who don`t use the format suggested and yet still convey good reviews.
Cyrano423 wrote:gradeable == general review
non-gradable == personal review
though there should also be a private option, where people might only want their friends to see it.
I don`t think that, if you implement comments, that you still need to differentiate between public and private.
I also don`t think that when implementing comments, that you should have non-gradable reviews either.
Cyrano423 wrote:Additionally the latter is easier for quality control. If an admin thinks a review is too personal, they can demote it to an un-rated review. That demotion won't cause much of a stir, because the ways people access the reviews would remain the same.
Actually, I don`t think there are much people who`d want to go through such reviews/comments and 'demote' them. So it`s up to the user where he puts it and especially with reviews, I don`t think anyone else but the initial poster should demote anything. It would only cause friction, because the poster considers it good, the 'admin' as bad and the poster would blame the admin for being subjective. So no, you shouldn`t put people in charge to demote such things, imho.