"The" in English titles

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"The" in English titles

Post by ZukerPA » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:24 pm

I prefer using an English titles of anime.

And I want discuss a problem with "the" in titles. Usually "the" is in the first place. Then, for examle, you have a problem by looking for "Animatrix" in the "t" letter, not "a". I hope you understand what I want to tell.

I think that the way out of this problem is make English titles like this: "Animatrix, The". You can see the examle here.

What do you think?

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Post by sjabbie » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:06 pm

You can find Animatrix as "the animatrix" and "animatrix" in the animelist. So there shouldn't be a problem, right ;)?

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Post by ZukerPA » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:18 pm

You don't understand. Of course it is not problem to find anime. You can just place it's name in the finding form. :)

I've just don't want to see a lot of "the" at the beginning of the English titles. It's usual way to write "Animatrix, The" or something like this.

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Post by Amour » Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:28 pm

I dislike the idea of putting "the" at the end of the title.
I prefer the original title as it is, and the current way in AniDB is good.

By the way, I should creq some synonyms changes with foreign synonyms...

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We have a problem here:
http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?s ... e&aid=1006

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Post by sjabbie » Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:34 am

I don't like it either, but it's up to the mods, because they have the final judgment on this stuff ;).

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Post by Der Idiot » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:44 am

i have 2 reasons to be against this

1. it's work (silly work even)
2. i hate ", the" , ", A" and stuff looks utterly moronic

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Post by Amour » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:20 pm

Here is the list of AnimeTitles with “The” at the end (the number is the ATID=AnimeTitleID):

77 Secret of Blue Water, The Synonym/Alias
1747 Space Between, The Synonym/Alias
2265 Mysterious Cities of Gold, The Synonym/Alias
4231 Jungle Book, The Official Title (English)
4733 Tree of Palme, A Official Title (English)
5489 Story of Hikari, The Synonym/Alias
7976 Aventuriers de l`espace, Les Official Title (Other)
8989 Mystérieuses cités d`or, Les Synonym/Alias
9186 Chevaliers du Zodiaque, Les Synonym/Alias
9204 Château ambulant, Le Synonym/Alias
13897 Three Musketeers, The (1987) Synonym/Alias
14785 Zauberer und die Banditen, Der Synonym/Alias
15215 Collège Fou Fou Fou, Le Official Title (Other)
15218 Aventures de Sherlock Holmes, Les Synonym/Alias
15226 Chroniques de la guerre de Lodoss, Les Synonym/Alias
15228 Légende de Crystania, La Official Title (Other)


(I admit seven of them have been added by me long time ago)

By the way, I notice this title:
15294 Kiss Me, Licia (Italian) Synonym/Alias

Is it a good idea to add the language with parenthesis?

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Post by Rar » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:28 pm

Collation issues are for the database software, not for data entry hacks like ,The

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Post by egg » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:48 am

For people who do not use English titles as a default, this is not an issue. The issue is if you do use English as your default, sorting is wrong (I often have this problem).

If the title is in the Official English Title field it should follow the standards of the Language, and therefore should have The at the end. If it is in the Romaji field then it should not follow the English rules, it should reflect the title from Kanji. Note this could mean that the Romaji and the English could be different for basically the same title.

In this case, Animatrix would be:
Romaji: The Animiatrix
English: Animatrix, The

So depending on the language setting, it would show appropriately.

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Post by ZukerPA » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:10 pm

Can mods answer something on the last post by egg?

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Post by Der Idiot » Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:22 pm

i gave my answer alread as did rar. it's moronic. end of discussion
Collation issues are for the database software, not for data entry hacks like ,The

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