time delay before new users can vote
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time delay before new users can vote
vote spaming.
It happens time to time...( Anime-Supreme and Anime-HQ being the lastest mass voters )
Maybe a user can't vote for the first week after they reg.
Works to keep (some) spam down on doom9.
i'd bet over the last few days.. AS has a bunch of 10 votes and those accounts have a 1 vote for all the other groups on the list.
maybe shut down account that have only logged in X amount of times over Y period of time.
Ie, logged in only once and then never again.
like, if a new account doesnt' get another visit in the first month.. drop?
(it would also be nice to drop group voting all together.. but that is a side issue)
It happens time to time...( Anime-Supreme and Anime-HQ being the lastest mass voters )
Maybe a user can't vote for the first week after they reg.
Works to keep (some) spam down on doom9.
i'd bet over the last few days.. AS has a bunch of 10 votes and those accounts have a 1 vote for all the other groups on the list.
maybe shut down account that have only logged in X amount of times over Y period of time.
Ie, logged in only once and then never again.
like, if a new account doesnt' get another visit in the first month.. drop?
(it would also be nice to drop group voting all together.. but that is a side issue)
when the wiki gets back up, you could search it for "userlevels" ... if that gets implemented, it would solve this problem. (if the wiki was up, I'd give you a directlink, but alas, it is down for maintenance).
also, vote-pruning is done by the mods continuously from what I can tell... not sure if that goes for group-votes as well though.
Edit: Wiki is now up, so here is the link: http://wiki.anidb.info/w/Tracker:userlevel
also, vote-pruning is done by the mods continuously from what I can tell... not sure if that goes for group-votes as well though.
Edit: Wiki is now up, so here is the link: http://wiki.anidb.info/w/Tracker:userlevel
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Weren't KAA one of the first to abuse that feature?
http://www.anidb.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13808#13808
I can't find the post in KAA forum nor my account so they might've been trashed.
http://www.anidb.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13808#13808
I can't find the post in KAA forum nor my account so they might've been trashed.
i don't know about the first
but i think the one comment about it was back at the end of 2003 or start of 2004 and was soon removed. We were still way under 100 for most of that time and ended up being about 10 votes - kaa moved up in the ranking after it started posting to AR.
your linked post came WAY after that (here on Anidb).
I think the voting for groups is just grounds for abuse
kaa, for how ever one feels about the quality. is pretty much the only group that offically uses ed2k.. thus will always get more votes then everyone else.. because this is a ed2k site.
I could have posted this so u didn't know who the "suggestion" came from - this has nothing to do with KAA. Everyone at this stage knows of kaa and likes it or not.. but seeing groups that hate ed2k.. and from anibd's own database almost no one has files from that group.. then they jump into the top 10... is just silly.
This is from the main page of AS:
like the fma movie voting i don't think i've ever seen so many votes so low for a DVDrip or so many votes..
hell.. when ahq had just put thier BT up.. and 5 ppl were on it.. they already had like 10 votes
same for the kaa.. it wasn't even OUT! and it already had votes
but i think the one comment about it was back at the end of 2003 or start of 2004 and was soon removed. We were still way under 100 for most of that time and ended up being about 10 votes - kaa moved up in the ranking after it started posting to AR.
your linked post came WAY after that (here on Anidb).
I think the voting for groups is just grounds for abuse
kaa, for how ever one feels about the quality. is pretty much the only group that offically uses ed2k.. thus will always get more votes then everyone else.. because this is a ed2k site.
I could have posted this so u didn't know who the "suggestion" came from - this has nothing to do with KAA. Everyone at this stage knows of kaa and likes it or not.. but seeing groups that hate ed2k.. and from anibd's own database almost no one has files from that group.. then they jump into the top 10... is just silly.
This is from the main page of AS:
most ppl are to lazy to have to wait a week before they can start voting... and would cut down on some pointless crapSubject :: Help Us By Voting For Us On The Next Site.
Date :: Wednesday, 18 January 2006 | 14:54
Posted by :: TRaSH
please help us getting higher in the stats.
goto http://anidb.info/perl-bin/animedb.pl?s ... up&gid=670
register or login
then vote for us there we need at least 150 votes to get in the stats.
also vote for our anime's we've done and you liked
keep in mind more users also could mean more donations because people would recognize us.
and more donations could mean add more faster bots more dedicated seeders and even more releases in our channel and bittorrent
thnx
like the fma movie voting i don't think i've ever seen so many votes so low for a DVDrip or so many votes..
hell.. when ahq had just put thier BT up.. and 5 ppl were on it.. they already had like 10 votes
same for the kaa.. it wasn't even OUT! and it already had votes
show me a link or post or something that shows kaa going for votes?Rar wrote:Indeed, KAA are huge culprits, but hypocrisy has always been a strength of lavar's.
Rar
There was one - years ago.. in our forum.. deep in a thread and we qucikly removed it.
what hypocrisy? show we a place were I said ppl go out and pimp votes.
I can get a bunch of AR/Anidb admins that have hear from me that group voting stucks and would be best removed.
This has nothing to do with kaa...
but.. nice to see rar.. your trolling is missed on our AR threads
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As I said, there was a thread with tenths of pages where we (people associated with AniDB) had some heated discussions with KAA forum members about such nasty tactics of manipulating the votes.
Where it went such thread, don't know (it was closed at some point in time)... my account isn't there either and maybe not the one from Tuel or Gambit who answered there as well. Even nwa answered there.
Anyway, this is anecdotal, but shows they are not the first and won't be the last ones manipulating votes. And BTW, there is already a tracker entry with some suggestions about voting. I'm lazy to look it for you.
EDIT: and yes, rar is a troll... but we have to live with it.
Where it went such thread, don't know (it was closed at some point in time)... my account isn't there either and maybe not the one from Tuel or Gambit who answered there as well. Even nwa answered there.
Anyway, this is anecdotal, but shows they are not the first and won't be the last ones manipulating votes. And BTW, there is already a tracker entry with some suggestions about voting. I'm lazy to look it for you.
EDIT: and yes, rar is a troll... but we have to live with it.
If speakin' truth to tards is trollin' then sure, I'm guilty. Fact is it's the head tard of the most spam-voted group (currently 'number one' no less) - COMPLAINING about other groups encouraging users doing the same thing! The fucking cheak!
Anyway, in answer to the point, none of the mods care much about votes and ranks by now, most of uz 'd just take that pointless shit off the main page, and probably make the release-for-group vote/comment system less crappy. But, all this depends of exp writing code, and he doesn't like fixing broken things, only making shiny new things.
Rar
Anyway, in answer to the point, none of the mods care much about votes and ranks by now, most of uz 'd just take that pointless shit off the main page, and probably make the release-for-group vote/comment system less crappy. But, all this depends of exp writing code, and he doesn't like fixing broken things, only making shiny new things.
Rar
let me throw in some bit as well as i just wiped some votes of a *cough* member of some group. it's easy to guess who it is without me naming the group by name. list list of votes is as followed:
group = duh groupvote
animegroup = groupvote per anime
(reads as: type, ID, number, vote)
(thats only a portion of his votes. there were a couple more hundred fake votes, but i'm too lazy to list them)
actually screw that "not naming the tard and group" bit
spot the obvious sticking out
now one might expect your random tardy fanboy user to make that vote, but oh no not this time. the creator and voter for those is no one else than "dustmaker" a member of AHQ. yeah go tard
let me point out at this point the delete system is rather dumbed down and wipes EVERY vote. so even his regular votes went to hell, but do i care? not really. if you do bad things you need to get a kick in the nuts as simple as that. this is also meant to everyone else as a warning. just because we haven't wiped your fakeaccoutn yet doesn't mean we won't at some point. we got our ways to find them and be sure we will!
group = duh groupvote
animegroup = groupvote per anime
(reads as: type, ID, number, vote)
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ANIMEGROUP 15623 6 10
ANIMEGROUP 14343 6 10
ANIMEGROUP 13362 6 10
ANIMEGROUP 16111 6 10
GROUP 108 6 10
ANIMEGROUP 16127 6 1
ANIMEGROUP 15221 6 10
ANIMEGROUP 16020 6 1
ANIMEGROUP 13113 5 10
GROUP 631 5 1
ANIMEGROUP 13750 5 10
ANIMEGROUP 13760 5 10
ANIMEGROUP 8209 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 4913 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 11584 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 3394 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 1006 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 115 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 13813 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 392 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 1417 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 11922 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 10942 4 10
ANIMEGROUP 15624 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 14111 3 1
ANIMEGROUP 2604 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 9255 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 306 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 3395 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 13138 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 4845 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 15854 3 1
ANIMEGROUP 12768 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 249 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 12530 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 15222 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 10387 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 15525 3 10
ANIMEGROUP 2498 3 10
GROUP 6 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 3596 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 11565 2 1
GROUP 41 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 305 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 7262 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 1361 2 10
GROUP 3046 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 1004 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 230 2 1
GROUP 374 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 6129 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 3699 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 3444 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 6773 2 10
GROUP 2182 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 391 2 1
GROUP 670 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 6802 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 10921 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 171 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 11695 2 10
GROUP 183 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 2224 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 2225 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 694 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 13239 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 6090 2 1
ANIMEGROUP 2252 2 10
ANIMEGROUP 5569 2 1
ANIME 979 2 10
actually screw that "not naming the tard and group" bit
spot the obvious sticking out
Code: Select all
GROUP 108 6 10
Code: Select all
[ 03:25:56 ] [ @DerIdiot ] !group 108
[ 03:25:57 ] [ @Chii[AR] ] GROUP: Anime HQ [AHQ] (108), irc: #animehq@irc.rizon.net, rating: 8.08 (135 votes), db: 81 animes/3015 files, url: http://www.anime-hq.org, http://anidb.info/g108
let me point out at this point the delete system is rather dumbed down and wipes EVERY vote. so even his regular votes went to hell, but do i care? not really. if you do bad things you need to get a kick in the nuts as simple as that. this is also meant to everyone else as a warning. just because we haven't wiped your fakeaccoutn yet doesn't mean we won't at some point. we got our ways to find them and be sure we will!
anyway, all these issues are well known for us mods and there have been like.. multiple solutions, but nothing myw00d-certain yet... plus it'd take EXP 'some' time to change the system, for the time being, ignore the group votes, I'd hate to say that also ignore the group-per-anime votes, but we're trying to make those work, I mean I end up on the main page of anidb several times a day and I never even look at the Group Stats nor Anime Stats
Re: time delay before new users can vote
I`m not against that as a whole since I do see some advantages of it. It shouldn`t stop people from using the MyList though - and after that week they might get an e-mail/PM then to tell them they can vote.lavar wrote:Maybe a user can't vote for the first week after they reg.
Works to keep (some) spam down on doom9.
Yet, as KAA-member you shouldn`t criticize other groups - iirc your group was the one which originally came with the idea of using the fanbase to do this AniDB-vote-boosting I was one of the people who warned them about the entire group being removed from voting due to abuse and was criticized by about the entire KAA community. Must be a year or two, three ago since back then I was still an active AniDB moderator.
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It would be nice if exp wiped the group votes, and replaced them with the animegroup composite scores. Another reason for this is since it requires 10 votes to display the value, frequently it makes it difficult to find a score for a particular group. Frequently, none of the groups has enough votes to display a value, and if you look at the group page that also does not have enough votes. If there was a composite score on the group page from each of the anime that group had subbed, then there may be enough votes to display on the group page...
My father has a saying, "Locks only keep honest people honest." This means that most people who go up to a locked door will leave it. But if someone is determined to break in, then they will find a way. The lock just makes them do more work to get there.
Similarly, adding userlevels will inconvenience some people (for some of my friends I have created a user and put in their votes in the same day so that they could start using the hint), but for the most part will make it annoying for people creating accounts just for voting. That will not stop users from abusing the system, it will just make it more work for them to do so.
My father has a saying, "Locks only keep honest people honest." This means that most people who go up to a locked door will leave it. But if someone is determined to break in, then they will find a way. The lock just makes them do more work to get there.
Similarly, adding userlevels will inconvenience some people (for some of my friends I have created a user and put in their votes in the same day so that they could start using the hint), but for the most part will make it annoying for people creating accounts just for voting. That will not stop users from abusing the system, it will just make it more work for them to do so.