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Post by Elias » Fri May 13, 2005 3:37 pm

With utmost details. You mean something like this?:
Characters::People::Assassins::Battousai::Kenshins::Rurouni Kenshin::Rurouni Kenshin in time of Meiji Restoration::Rurouni Kenshin between 10 and 99 killed::Rurouni Kenshin between 15 and 16 kill::Rurouni Kenshin between 15 and 16 kill drinking tea

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Post by exp » Fri May 13, 2005 4:55 pm

ArchiiE wrote:What i would like to see is a "character development" genre. Love these series and they're so hard to find! What i mean is series like Hunter X Hunter and Naruto, were the characters keep developing and learning new skills / abilities. This would be a GREAT genre. :D
As one main reason for the new category system is to provide a base for a much improved version of the anime hint feature adding such information as category data is indeed a very promising idea.
However, I don't think Genre:: is a good place for that.
I've added a new root-level category Dynamic (the name suxx, we'll have to find a new name for it once we know what leaves it has) for now.
There are probably more things like character development which we should place there.

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Post by Elias » Fri May 13, 2005 5:20 pm

Characters::Animals::Turtles

Love hina, Mutant Turtles: Choujin Densetsu-hen

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And maybe some another:

Settings::Objects::Buildings::Tokyo Tower

Destroyed in every second action title 8)

And moved there:

Settings::Objects::Vehicles::Ships
Settings::Objects::Vehicles::Planes
Settings::Objects::Vehicles::Cars

And another like this:

Settings::Objects::Weapons::Swords
Settings::Objects::Weapons::Guns

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Post by suppy » Fri May 13, 2005 6:45 pm

Genre::Food
e.g. Cooking Master Boy, Mister Ajikko, Oishinbo

Genre::Food::Bread
e.g. Yakitate!! Japan, Kogepan

Genre::Drama::Romance::Love Triangle
e.g. Hana Yori Dango, Peach Girl

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Post by kidan » Fri May 13, 2005 8:45 pm

Regarding the newly created category: Dynamic

I would rename it to Features
and then I'd put some items like these in there:

Features::Evolving Characters
Features::Static Characters
Features::Stereotype Characters
Features::Twisted Plot
Features::Multithreaded Plot
Features::Fillers
Features::Recaps
...

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Post by nwa » Fri May 13, 2005 10:22 pm

Features::Evolving Characters
Features::Static Characters
Features::Stereotype Characters

that should actually be in the review section... cause I'm sure a lot of people have their own opinion about those :P

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Post by kidan » Fri May 13, 2005 10:38 pm

Of course you can elaborate on this topic in far more detail in a review, but for finding simillar anime we need to have some searchable indicator of these features.
So, I think your argument is invalid.

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Post by Rar » Fri May 13, 2005 10:42 pm

Yours is invalid unless you can provide cast-iron examples for all of those. Personally I feel it's too subjective.

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Post by kidan » Sat May 14, 2005 1:54 am

Well, the different types are as all attributes here not meant as a yes/no indicator, but as an indicator of how much any of these applies:

So if there is an anime with the two main characters evolving (eg. from hate into a relationship) and all other characters staying as they are through the whole series and some of them being the "dork", the "shy-one" and the "big-boobed-fanservice-lady", that anime would get some stars in each feature.

But now to some examples:

abenobashi:
static:2.5 (allmost everybody exept...)
evolving: 1 (Sashi)
stereotype: 1.5 (MuneMune, Utas, Gandpa)

love hina:
s 2 (suu, kitsune, motoko, haruka,..)
e 1.5 (keitaro, naru, mutsume?)
t 2.5 (suu, motoko, kitsune, seta, naru, shinobu, tama-chan,...)

saikano:
s 0.5 (only some very limited support chars)
e 2.5 (chise, shuuji, sempai, allmost all support chars)
t 1 (chise)

ebichu:
s: 3
e: 0
t: 0 (1 if you take kaishounachi for a stereotype of a slacker)

dragon-half:
s: 3
e: 0
t: 3 (you could argue here that the stereotypes here are not the normal anime-ones, but more disney-like, but I'd still call them stereotypes)

ping pong club:
s: 2.5
e: 0-0.5
t: 2 (teachers, perverts, iron lady)

Ok, you might get the idea. of course exact ratings would be as difficult to figure as with any other entry in the genre/attribute-system.

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Post by Raptor » Sat May 14, 2005 3:27 am

Andemon wrote:
Raptor wrote:
characters:creatures::Beasts
the horse and the pigs in words worth

characters:peoples:mystical peoples:half beast

characters:peoples:mystical peoples:half beast:catgirls
How would anime such as Meitantei Holmes or Night on the Galactic Railroad fit in those categories, though? I don't know -- something about 'half beast' doesn't seem quite right for that.

Calling them anthropomorphic animals is mainstream, so I suppose the category name should be based on that. ...but it's quite a mouthful. Should be shortened a bit. Characters::Animals::Anthropomorphic? Characters::Animals::Anthro? ...
Characters::Animals::Furries? ...eh, I dunno. -_-;
I agree with them being called anthro thats much more clear but i think they should be considered peoples much more than animals.


and if there are half beast that cant be considered peoples well they might as well be in other categories because thats really not the same thing. If i want something like hyper police then i want anthro not some kind of half beast roaming the lands.

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Post by Andemon » Sat May 14, 2005 4:18 am

Raptor wrote:I agree with them being called anthro thats much more clear but i think they should be considered peoples much more than animals.
Someone already added Characters::Kemono. That translates as beast, but if I'm not mistaken, it's also used for anthros..
[EDIT]
...and now someone has renamed it Characters::Juujin. I have absolutely no idea what that means. -_-;

Anyway --
new categories:

Setting::Place::Train

Ginga Tetsudou no Yoru, Ginga Tetsudou Monogatari, Saishuu Chikan Densha,...

Characters::People::Delinquents

School Rumble, Yu Yu Hakusho, GANTZ... (many others)


Seems like my mylist is pretty well covered now -- can't think of any other new genres. Maybe Setting::Place::Town, or Setting::Place::City::Tokyo -- or is that too much detail?

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Post by Caster » Sat May 14, 2005 3:23 pm

Could it be possible to see all anime in category + subcategories? Like when I click on Nudity, I can see only stuff that is assigned to it in general, and not the subcategories (which are imho lol but anyway...). I'd like to see all of it. Still I don't think it can replace the former ultimate Ecchi genre completely, without mixing Hentai into it :( But better than nothing

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Post by suppy » Sat May 14, 2005 4:02 pm

Hmm, maybe change
Genre::Thriller
to
Genre::Mystery::Thriller
nwa wrote:Does horror fall under thriller?
imo, yes. it does, so that would be
Genre::Mystery::Thriller::Horror // Genre::Thriller::Horror
depending on if people agree with me that thriller should be under mystery

I also miss Ecchi :? Genre::Ecchi anyone?

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Post by Andemon » Sat May 14, 2005 5:30 pm

Genre::Thriller sounds good enough for me. It's one of those hard-to-place genres -- I mean, there's action thrillers, mystery thrillers, horror thrillers, political thrillers, psychodrama, erotic thrillers,... ...but most movie sites list it as a main genre, separate from horror and mystery. It's sometimes listed as subgenre of action, though.

...anyway, new category:

Genre::Drama::Angst

Evangelion, Pretear, Princess Nine,...

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Post by sjabbie » Sat May 14, 2005 5:45 pm

I think ecchi now falls under Content Indicators::Nudity.

Another category:

Characters::People::Mystical People::Goddess

Oh! My goddess (OVA, movie and TV serie)

Characters::Mystical Creatures::Devils

Devil Man (OVA's and TV serie)

Characters::People::3-eyed People

3x3 Eyes, Mitsume ga Tooru, Dragon Ball (Z)

And shouldn't there be an apart category for Ghibli like:

Genre::Drama::Ghibli or
Genre::Fantasy::Ghibli or just
Genre::Ghibli

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